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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3251</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 13:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3250</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 13:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaius, I linked to reporting of Hunter&#039;s statement and asked whether he should be pillored as well as Murtha.  Both made statements of &#039;fact&#039; before the final investigation of the Haditha incident.  Hunter went further and said his committee would be &#039;investigating the investigations&#039;.

You responded by saying that you found the link to Hunter&#039;s statement and &#039;posted about it above&#039;.   I have not found your &#039;posting about it above&#039; nor have I found your answer to my specific question about whether Hunter should be pillored for his &#039;fact&#039; statement ahead of a complete investigation&#039;, as Murtha has been already thoroughly pillored.  

Here are some of the responses to Murtha&#039;s statement: &#039;already tried and sentenced the Marines&#039;, &#039;spewing forth ahead of the investigation&#039;, &#039;completely out of line&#039;, &#039;undermined military morale&#039;, &#039;saying outright that these atrocities happened&#039;, &#039;spreading disinformation&#039;, &#039;no honor whatsoever&#039;, &#039;a traitor, plain and simple&#039;, &#039;put Americans at risk&#039;, &#039;a saboteur&#039;, &#039;a gaseous blowhard&#039;, &#039;blathering incorrect information&#039;, &#039;a partisan hack&#039;, &#039;shoddy political gain-minded&#039;, &#039;should resign his post, and if refuses, should be removed for cause&#039;,  &#039;should keep his mouth shut&#039;, &#039;lacks the sense to keep his mouth shut&#039;, &#039;should have rotten tomatoes thrown at him&#039;, &#039;a jerk&#039;.   Which of these responses should also be applied to Duncan Hunter for his statement? 

All I have seen since I posted my question is a segue into a discussion of troop levels and the potential relevance of troop levels to the pressures felt by troops serving in Iraq.  There is the stronger &#039;in cold blood&#039; statement by Murtha, which Hunter&#039;s statements  infer by his very serious decision to investigate the investigations.   

I hope you will specifically answer my question.  Should Hunter be pillored because he, like Murtha, has made a &#039;flat statement passing judgement&#039;? This is important, I think.  If a different standard is applied to Hunter, then perhaps the pilloring of Murtha will [and should] be dismissed as &#039;a partisan hack job&#039;.   The bravery of our soldiers deserves to be matched by the bravery of honest discourse at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaius, I linked to reporting of Hunter&#8217;s statement and asked whether he should be pillored as well as Murtha.  Both made statements of &#8216;fact&#8217; before the final investigation of the Haditha incident.  Hunter went further and said his committee would be &#8216;investigating the investigations&#8217;.</p>
<p>You responded by saying that you found the link to Hunter&#8217;s statement and &#8216;posted about it above&#8217;.   I have not found your &#8216;posting about it above&#8217; nor have I found your answer to my specific question about whether Hunter should be pillored for his &#8216;fact&#8217; statement ahead of a complete investigation&#8217;, as Murtha has been already thoroughly pillored.  </p>
<p>Here are some of the responses to Murtha&#8217;s statement: &#8216;already tried and sentenced the Marines&#8217;, &#8217;spewing forth ahead of the investigation&#8217;, &#8216;completely out of line&#8217;, &#8216;undermined military morale&#8217;, &#8217;saying outright that these atrocities happened&#8217;, &#8217;spreading disinformation&#8217;, &#8216;no honor whatsoever&#8217;, &#8216;a traitor, plain and simple&#8217;, &#8216;put Americans at risk&#8217;, &#8216;a saboteur&#8217;, &#8216;a gaseous blowhard&#8217;, &#8216;blathering incorrect information&#8217;, &#8216;a partisan hack&#8217;, &#8217;shoddy political gain-minded&#8217;, &#8217;should resign his post, and if refuses, should be removed for cause&#8217;,  &#8217;should keep his mouth shut&#8217;, &#8216;lacks the sense to keep his mouth shut&#8217;, &#8217;should have rotten tomatoes thrown at him&#8217;, &#8216;a jerk&#8217;.   Which of these responses should also be applied to Duncan Hunter for his statement? </p>
<p>All I have seen since I posted my question is a segue into a discussion of troop levels and the potential relevance of troop levels to the pressures felt by troops serving in Iraq.  There is the stronger &#8216;in cold blood&#8217; statement by Murtha, which Hunter&#8217;s statements  infer by his very serious decision to investigate the investigations.   </p>
<p>I hope you will specifically answer my question.  Should Hunter be pillored because he, like Murtha, has made a &#8216;flat statement passing judgement&#8217;? This is important, I think.  If a different standard is applied to Hunter, then perhaps the pilloring of Murtha will [and should] be dismissed as &#8216;a partisan hack job&#8217;.   The bravery of our soldiers deserves to be matched by the bravery of honest discourse at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Meyer</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3242</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 05:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaius:
Facts are facts. I may be full of it, but that don&#039;t change reality and neither does your dreaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaius:<br />
Facts are facts. I may be full of it, but that don&#8217;t change reality and neither does your dreaming.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3184</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 11:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bull, Mike. As in you&#039;re full of it.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Meyer</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3180</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 05:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, but we have deployed them, over and over again. That&#039;s where our problems began at . Shit wears thin the fourth or fifth time around. When the troops see the only way free is to kill everything, they kill everything. When a soldier can&#039;t go home when his or her enlistment is up, then the thought is, &quot;only one way out.&quot; Everybody wants to go home alive and whole and the longer you stay the greater the odds are against you. It&#039;s just mathematics.  Sometimes you got to pass the odds around, nothing to do with being a peacenik.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, but we have deployed them, over and over again. That&#8217;s where our problems began at . Shit wears thin the fourth or fifth time around. When the troops see the only way free is to kill everything, they kill everything. When a soldier can&#8217;t go home when his or her enlistment is up, then the thought is, &#8220;only one way out.&#8221; Everybody wants to go home alive and whole and the longer you stay the greater the odds are against you. It&#8217;s just mathematics.  Sometimes you got to pass the odds around, nothing to do with being a peacenik.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3177</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two schools of thought on the number of troops issue. One says that the fewer troops, the less they are seen as occupiers. That appears to be what is driving troop levels right now. The other school of thought is, of course send in more troops. If that was really needed, we already have all the troops we need. We simply have not deployed them.

But it&#039;s a handy little thing for the anti-war types to scream about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two schools of thought on the number of troops issue. One says that the fewer troops, the less they are seen as occupiers. That appears to be what is driving troop levels right now. The other school of thought is, of course send in more troops. If that was really needed, we already have all the troops we need. We simply have not deployed them.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s a handy little thing for the anti-war types to scream about.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Meyer</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3176</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 04:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got me on that one Gaius. I really don&#039;t see the left wing willing to put more troops in country. If one desires victory one must do what it takes to be victorious. Let&#039;s face facts, the insurgency has and is educating itself politically and militarily. The final throes theory died long ago. Just because you or I don&#039;t want to go or our kids to go does not assure victory. EVERYTHING comes with a price and sometimes we ALL got to pay if we are going to win. We can&#039;t always expect to throw a little money ourselves and have somebody else pay THE BLOOD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got me on that one Gaius. I really don&#8217;t see the left wing willing to put more troops in country. If one desires victory one must do what it takes to be victorious. Let&#8217;s face facts, the insurgency has and is educating itself politically and militarily. The final throes theory died long ago. Just because you or I don&#8217;t want to go or our kids to go does not assure victory. EVERYTHING comes with a price and sometimes we ALL got to pay if we are going to win. We can&#8217;t always expect to throw a little money ourselves and have somebody else pay THE BLOOD.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3169</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 01:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not likely. Only Democrats would vote for it.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Meyer</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3165</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 00:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right &quot;in cold blood&quot; is the wrong thing to say, even if all else proves true. He does allude to the lack of sufficent troops on the ground as a contributing circumstance. Sit out on point long enough and dicipline goes, survival takes over, especially if you think your short. Then there&#039;s always ole payback when one of your people get it. More  troops is the answer. We need to restart the DRAFT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right &#8220;in cold blood&#8221; is the wrong thing to say, even if all else proves true. He does allude to the lack of sufficent troops on the ground as a contributing circumstance. Sit out on point long enough and dicipline goes, survival takes over, especially if you think your short. Then there&#8217;s always ole payback when one of your people get it. More  troops is the answer. We need to restart the DRAFT.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland Hesz</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3077</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland Hesz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 06:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny to hear theat &quot;the Marines should not be accused while the investagation is not concluded&quot; and such, and not hearing &quot;non-american people should not be put in prison and held there without proven guilty at a fair trial&quot;.

I do agree that &quot;pressumed innocent&quot; is a very important, and basic right, but I also think that it should apply to everyone, not only to the &quot;selected few&quot;.

And while Murtha was not entirely fair, everyone knows that if not brought to the public, the whole thing would be swept under the rug, so to say, without any consequences.

After all, as a US soldier said &quot;they were only iraquies&quot;.

My 0.2$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny to hear theat &#8220;the Marines should not be accused while the investagation is not concluded&#8221; and such, and not hearing &#8220;non-american people should not be put in prison and held there without proven guilty at a fair trial&#8221;.</p>
<p>I do agree that &#8220;pressumed innocent&#8221; is a very important, and basic right, but I also think that it should apply to everyone, not only to the &#8220;selected few&#8221;.</p>
<p>And while Murtha was not entirely fair, everyone knows that if not brought to the public, the whole thing would be swept under the rug, so to say, without any consequences.</p>
<p>After all, as a US soldier said &#8220;they were only iraquies&#8221;.</p>
<p>My 0.2$</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3027</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 18:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bull. They are not &quot;assertions&quot; they are flat statements passing judgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bull. They are not &#8220;assertions&#8221; they are flat statements passing judgement.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 16:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murtha&#039;s assertions are based on the Marine Corp&#039;s own account of the incident. Therefore the tactic you propose is cover-up. In any society, that is a failed policy but it is particularly loathsome in a liberal democracy. The right course of action is to discipline violaters and to officially correct any wrongs. Uncle Sam&#039;s eye is blackened only if we fail to right a wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murtha&#8217;s assertions are based on the Marine Corp&#8217;s own account of the incident. Therefore the tactic you propose is cover-up. In any society, that is a failed policy but it is particularly loathsome in a liberal democracy. The right course of action is to discipline violaters and to officially correct any wrongs. Uncle Sam&#8217;s eye is blackened only if we fail to right a wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3016</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 13:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok - Found it and posted about it, above.</description>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-2/#comment-3015</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 13:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would help if you gave a link to this. I cannot find it in the WaPo.</description>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/17/this-is-very-very-simple/comment-page-1/#comment-3014</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 12:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murtha is being pillored for his statement.    Will the pilloring extend to Duncan Hunter [R-CA] who is the House Armed Services Committee Chairman?  

According to the WAPO, Hunter just said, &quot;Forthcoming military investigations into alleged war crimes in Iraq WILL SHOW (emphasis mine) that a squad of U.S. Marines killed about 24 Iraqi civilians, including women and children, while on a patrol in Haditha in November - a higher number than first believed - and then gave inaccurate reports on the incident to their commanders.&quot;    The WAPO article also reported that Hunter&#039;s committee will be holding oversight hearings on the investigations into the incident &#039;to ensure that they are undertaken by the military with integrity.&#039;

Gaius, I would appreciate your thoughts about  Hunter making such a statement.......should Duncan Hunter also be pillored?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murtha is being pillored for his statement.    Will the pilloring extend to Duncan Hunter [R-CA] who is the House Armed Services Committee Chairman?  </p>
<p>According to the WAPO, Hunter just said, &#8220;Forthcoming military investigations into alleged war crimes in Iraq WILL SHOW (emphasis mine) that a squad of U.S. Marines killed about 24 Iraqi civilians, including women and children, while on a patrol in Haditha in November &#8211; a higher number than first believed &#8211; and then gave inaccurate reports on the incident to their commanders.&#8221;    The WAPO article also reported that Hunter&#8217;s committee will be holding oversight hearings on the investigations into the incident &#8216;to ensure that they are undertaken by the military with integrity.&#8217;</p>
<p>Gaius, I would appreciate your thoughts about  Hunter making such a statement&#8230;&#8230;.should Duncan Hunter also be pillored?</p>
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