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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/20/on-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-3267</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 15:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I admire your passion, I believe you are woefully misguided.

1. Maybe McCain doesn&#039;t think Bush lied to us about the war in Iraq. &quot;Bush Lied, thousands died&quot; isn&#039;t even a substantiated claim, just one that has been repeated many times, largely by people of the same political persuasion.

I&#039;m not draw the WMD issue into this response, but if you assume that McCain isn&#039;t calling out Bush for lying about the causus belli, you&#039;re assuming that he, like you, believes that Bush had been lying. Unless you have the power to read minds, you can&#039;t really substantiate that claim.

The reason why Kerry is fair game while McCain isn&#039;t is because there is no doubt that McCain was nearly tortured to death serving his country, while several men who had served with Kerry were willing to testify against the validity of his claims of heroism. Even if you believe that Kerry deserved his military honors, others doubt that he does, while there is no doubt that McCain earned the platitutes relished on him.

2. I seriously doubt you could claim conservatives owned the media if you follow the news media at all. If you merely track, for a period of a few months, the types stories that most newspaper editors find newsworthy, you would find that the subjects and tone of such stories tend to support traditionally liberal points of view.

AP, Reuters, CNN, the NYT, Chicago Tribune, the SF Chronicle, and most other media institutions have a decidedly liberal slant to their news coverage. If you look closely at the stories published by these media outlets, a lot of their reporting contains liberal editorial commentary blended in with their presentation of facts.

Even if you consider FOX and the WSJ to be conservative publications, you have to admit that they do a much better job separating news coverage from editorial commentary.

3. There&#039;s one thing about this whole incident I don&#039;t understand: doesn&#039;t Salter have a right to speak his mind about this incident? After all, if he works for McCain, he&#039;s probably somewhat loyal to his boss.  (And I doubt he was speaking in for McCain when he went off, as his remarks sounded like someone genuinely pissed-off.) If you&#039;re arguing that Salter looks like a moron for spouting off the way he did, you have to accept that other people probably think the same thing about Jean for the very same reason. Jean wasn&#039;t exactly discussing the issues when she spouted off her diatribe.

If you think one political operative and a few scattered websites of people discussing this topic constitutes a well-oiled political attack machine, I think you&#039;re overexaggerating the political aptitude of the Republican party. Strange how you can think that a party of &quot;morons&quot; would be able to coordinate such an endeavor.

And, for that matter, I seriously doubt the government had ever interfered in Jean&#039;s personal or economic matters, so I doubt she can honestly claim that &quot;democracy is swiftly eroding under the pressure of the right wing in this country.&quot; Of course, not having the ability to read minds myself, I could be wrong in this matter.

-A Libertarian Agnostic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I admire your passion, I believe you are woefully misguided.</p>
<p>1. Maybe McCain doesn&#8217;t think Bush lied to us about the war in Iraq. &#8220;Bush Lied, thousands died&#8221; isn&#8217;t even a substantiated claim, just one that has been repeated many times, largely by people of the same political persuasion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not draw the WMD issue into this response, but if you assume that McCain isn&#8217;t calling out Bush for lying about the causus belli, you&#8217;re assuming that he, like you, believes that Bush had been lying. Unless you have the power to read minds, you can&#8217;t really substantiate that claim.</p>
<p>The reason why Kerry is fair game while McCain isn&#8217;t is because there is no doubt that McCain was nearly tortured to death serving his country, while several men who had served with Kerry were willing to testify against the validity of his claims of heroism. Even if you believe that Kerry deserved his military honors, others doubt that he does, while there is no doubt that McCain earned the platitutes relished on him.</p>
<p>2. I seriously doubt you could claim conservatives owned the media if you follow the news media at all. If you merely track, for a period of a few months, the types stories that most newspaper editors find newsworthy, you would find that the subjects and tone of such stories tend to support traditionally liberal points of view.</p>
<p>AP, Reuters, CNN, the NYT, Chicago Tribune, the SF Chronicle, and most other media institutions have a decidedly liberal slant to their news coverage. If you look closely at the stories published by these media outlets, a lot of their reporting contains liberal editorial commentary blended in with their presentation of facts.</p>
<p>Even if you consider FOX and the WSJ to be conservative publications, you have to admit that they do a much better job separating news coverage from editorial commentary.</p>
<p>3. There&#8217;s one thing about this whole incident I don&#8217;t understand: doesn&#8217;t Salter have a right to speak his mind about this incident? After all, if he works for McCain, he&#8217;s probably somewhat loyal to his boss.  (And I doubt he was speaking in for McCain when he went off, as his remarks sounded like someone genuinely pissed-off.) If you&#8217;re arguing that Salter looks like a moron for spouting off the way he did, you have to accept that other people probably think the same thing about Jean for the very same reason. Jean wasn&#8217;t exactly discussing the issues when she spouted off her diatribe.</p>
<p>If you think one political operative and a few scattered websites of people discussing this topic constitutes a well-oiled political attack machine, I think you&#8217;re overexaggerating the political aptitude of the Republican party. Strange how you can think that a party of &#8220;morons&#8221; would be able to coordinate such an endeavor.</p>
<p>And, for that matter, I seriously doubt the government had ever interfered in Jean&#8217;s personal or economic matters, so I doubt she can honestly claim that &#8220;democracy is swiftly eroding under the pressure of the right wing in this country.&#8221; Of course, not having the ability to read minds myself, I could be wrong in this matter.</p>
<p>-A Libertarian Agnostic</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/20/on-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-3231</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 22:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that&#039;s your idea of a bulls-eye, you&#039;re a damn poor shot.</description>
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		<title>By: Liza DiSavino</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/20/on-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-3230</link>
		<dc:creator>Liza DiSavino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 22:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, your pictures are what violence looks like, and that&#039;s the whole problem.

So here we are with the Republican attack machine (both large and small) doing what the Republican party always does these days:  attack the character of anyone who tells the truth.  A certain Mr. Salter, chief-of-staff for John McCain, lost no time in calling Jean an &quot;idiot,&quot; saying she had &quot;not one shred of the courage John McCain had&quot;, and accused her of living in an â€œecho chamber.â€  

May I point out that this follows the usual line of Republican attack:  accuse your adversary of everything of which you yourself are guilty.  Such as:

1.	Courage?  Quit telling me about John McCainâ€™s forty-year-old Hanoi Hilton experience.  Did John McCain have the guts to stand up and admit that the leader of his party lied us into war?  No, because it might hurt his political chances.  He&#039;d rather have American kids continue to die in Iraq so he might get the Presidency.   (By the by, John Kerry was a war hero forty years ago too, but I didnâ€™t see Republicans outraged when he was ridiculed).
2.	Echo Chamber?  Who controls virtually all the tv and radio airwaves, and makes sure that every Republican politician and pundit in the country is on the same daily talking point?  It&#039;s not progressives.  The Republicans have the echo chamber di tutti echo chambers.
3.	And finally, idiot?   Jean&#039;s comments were concise, pointed, intelligent, respectful, gutsy, and true.  The only idiot here is Salter.  Because it did take tremendous guts for Jean to do what she did.  Know why?  Because some high-profile shill like Salter was bound to impugn her character on a national scale.  It was bound to happen, and when it did, Jean handled it in interviews and on the blogosphere with an integrity, poise, intelligence, and compassion that is beyond the dreams or experience of the Republican party.  It was bound to happen, because your party is nasty and destroys people as a matter of course (ask John McCain about the South Carolina primary if you donâ€™t believe me).  It was bound to happen because your party cannot argue on the basis of the issues, because you&#039;re wrong on everything.  All you can do is try to destroy people in true Inquisition style, projecting your failings onto others.  Idiot?  Do you know what an idiot McCain looks like, sending a high profile political appointee like Salter after a 21-year-old college kid?

The kind of pathetic, vicious personal attack I saw both from Salter and here on your blog (including such disrespectful  terms as moron, crap,self-indulgent, etc.) was bound to happen, and I am sure Jean knew it, and she did it anyway.  And yes, I do know her.  I watched her grow up, and I am prouder of her than I can say.  Doing the right thing, regardless of consequence, is the definition of courage.  Your party doesnâ€™t even come close to the mark.  She hit the bulls-eye.   Be as bitter as you want about it, but that&#039;s the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, your pictures are what violence looks like, and that&#8217;s the whole problem.</p>
<p>So here we are with the Republican attack machine (both large and small) doing what the Republican party always does these days:  attack the character of anyone who tells the truth.  A certain Mr. Salter, chief-of-staff for John McCain, lost no time in calling Jean an &#8220;idiot,&#8221; saying she had &#8220;not one shred of the courage John McCain had&#8221;, and accused her of living in an â€œecho chamber.â€  </p>
<p>May I point out that this follows the usual line of Republican attack:  accuse your adversary of everything of which you yourself are guilty.  Such as:</p>
<p>1.	Courage?  Quit telling me about John McCainâ€™s forty-year-old Hanoi Hilton experience.  Did John McCain have the guts to stand up and admit that the leader of his party lied us into war?  No, because it might hurt his political chances.  He&#8217;d rather have American kids continue to die in Iraq so he might get the Presidency.   (By the by, John Kerry was a war hero forty years ago too, but I didnâ€™t see Republicans outraged when he was ridiculed).<br />
2.	Echo Chamber?  Who controls virtually all the tv and radio airwaves, and makes sure that every Republican politician and pundit in the country is on the same daily talking point?  It&#8217;s not progressives.  The Republicans have the echo chamber di tutti echo chambers.<br />
3.	And finally, idiot?   Jean&#8217;s comments were concise, pointed, intelligent, respectful, gutsy, and true.  The only idiot here is Salter.  Because it did take tremendous guts for Jean to do what she did.  Know why?  Because some high-profile shill like Salter was bound to impugn her character on a national scale.  It was bound to happen, and when it did, Jean handled it in interviews and on the blogosphere with an integrity, poise, intelligence, and compassion that is beyond the dreams or experience of the Republican party.  It was bound to happen, because your party is nasty and destroys people as a matter of course (ask John McCain about the South Carolina primary if you donâ€™t believe me).  It was bound to happen because your party cannot argue on the basis of the issues, because you&#8217;re wrong on everything.  All you can do is try to destroy people in true Inquisition style, projecting your failings onto others.  Idiot?  Do you know what an idiot McCain looks like, sending a high profile political appointee like Salter after a 21-year-old college kid?</p>
<p>The kind of pathetic, vicious personal attack I saw both from Salter and here on your blog (including such disrespectful  terms as moron, crap,self-indulgent, etc.) was bound to happen, and I am sure Jean knew it, and she did it anyway.  And yes, I do know her.  I watched her grow up, and I am prouder of her than I can say.  Doing the right thing, regardless of consequence, is the definition of courage.  Your party doesnâ€™t even come close to the mark.  She hit the bulls-eye.   Be as bitter as you want about it, but that&#8217;s the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Webloggin</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/20/on-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-3227</link>
		<dc:creator>Webloggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 20:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New Liberal Celebrity Jean Rohe Gets Her Feelings Hurt...&lt;/strong&gt;

Put me down as having one more thing to fear. We should fear the fact that Jean Rohe represents another generation of disrespectful morons whose heads are so full of â€œprogressiveâ€ crap that they have deluded themselves into thinking that the U.S. i...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New Liberal Celebrity Jean Rohe Gets Her Feelings Hurt&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Put me down as having one more thing to fear. We should fear the fact that Jean Rohe represents another generation of disrespectful morons whose heads are so full of â€œprogressiveâ€ crap that they have deluded themselves into thinking that the U.S. i&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/20/on-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-3196</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 14:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t respectful whether you can see that or not. Go read the post on how Boston College protesters handled it. That was respectful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t respectful whether you can see that or not. Go read the post on how Boston College protesters handled it. That was respectful.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kinateder</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/20/on-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-3192</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Kinateder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 13:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Youâ€™re all so correct!  There should be only one viewpoint.  Dissenters should be hung.

Rightâ€¦.

Freedom of speech has nothing to do with the war in Iraq, Afghanistan or â€˜the War on Terror â„¢â€™.

Donâ€™t let your ignorance blind you.

Go read the girls speech.  Iâ€™m not saying sheâ€™s a hero (nor is she).  Iâ€™m saying she had the opportunity to respectfully stand up for what she believed in.  Isnâ€™t that what this great country is about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youâ€™re all so correct!  There should be only one viewpoint.  Dissenters should be hung.</p>
<p>Rightâ€¦.</p>
<p>Freedom of speech has nothing to do with the war in Iraq, Afghanistan or â€˜the War on Terror â„¢â€™.</p>
<p>Donâ€™t let your ignorance blind you.</p>
<p>Go read the girls speech.  Iâ€™m not saying sheâ€™s a hero (nor is she).  Iâ€™m saying she had the opportunity to respectfully stand up for what she believed in.  Isnâ€™t that what this great country is about?</p>
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		<title>By: Blackhawk</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/20/on-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-3072</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 04:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My high school government teacher wanted us to take one lesson from his class: for every freedom, there is a responsibility. Freedom without responsibility isn&#039;t freedom; it&#039;s anarchy. In anarchy, only violence rules. Too bad those getting a &#039;higher&#039; education don&#039;t understand that distinction.

What happened to Sen McCain is not an example of cowardice: it&#039;s an example of violence. This is how suppression of freedom of speech begins: you prevent opposing viewpoints from being expressed. These Ivory Tower hypocrites (students and faculty) don&#039;t realize they are already sliding down that slippery slope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My high school government teacher wanted us to take one lesson from his class: for every freedom, there is a responsibility. Freedom without responsibility isn&#8217;t freedom; it&#8217;s anarchy. In anarchy, only violence rules. Too bad those getting a &#8216;higher&#8217; education don&#8217;t understand that distinction.</p>
<p>What happened to Sen McCain is not an example of cowardice: it&#8217;s an example of violence. This is how suppression of freedom of speech begins: you prevent opposing viewpoints from being expressed. These Ivory Tower hypocrites (students and faculty) don&#8217;t realize they are already sliding down that slippery slope.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty and Justice</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/20/on-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-3010</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty and Justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 10:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jean Rohe: The Aftermath...&lt;/strong&gt;

Well, I think, Jean, that you showed exactly what close-minded people are capable off. Instead of thinking about the opportunity this would really give you, you decided to attack a Senator who is willing to listen to communists like yourself. McCain is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jean Rohe: The Aftermath&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Well, I think, Jean, that you showed exactly what close-minded people are capable off. Instead of thinking about the opportunity this would really give you, you decided to attack a Senator who is willing to listen to communists like yourself. McCain is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 05:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/20/speaking-truth-to-power/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; that an astonishing 127 words out of an 1800+ word Huff Post were &quot;I,&quot; &quot;me,&quot; and &quot;mine&quot; or the like.

All that education, and she still hasn&#039;t figured out that it&#039;s not all about her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noted <a href="http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/20/speaking-truth-to-power/" rel="nofollow">here</a> that an astonishing 127 words out of an 1800+ word Huff Post were &#8220;I,&#8221; &#8220;me,&#8221; and &#8220;mine&#8221; or the like.</p>
<p>All that education, and she still hasn&#8217;t figured out that it&#8217;s not all about her.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/20/on-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-3003</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 04:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there certainly is a skew there. Have you ever heard of so many people speaking - unceasingly, unendingly, over and over until you&#039;d like to slap them - about how they are being silenced?

Yeesh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there certainly is a skew there. Have you ever heard of so many people speaking &#8211; unceasingly, unendingly, over and over until you&#8217;d like to slap them &#8211; about how they are being silenced?</p>
<p>Yeesh</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/20/on-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-3000</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 04:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaius said: &quot;You see, those people poked a stick at a tiger in the open. You poked a stick at a man in a cage, constrained by the rules of etiquette and decency not to respond to you. My goodness, what wonderful oppression and all you must be feeling.&quot;

Well said...very well said. Too many Americans take for granted the privileges we have here. Mzzzz Rohe appears to be one of them. It is a privilege to be asked to be a commencement speaker. It is an even greater privilege to speak in opposition to someone as powerful as a U.S. Senator who is seated only a few feet away from you (and, as and aside, is recycling his commencement address). With privilege, however, comes responsibility. Mzzz Rohe displayed none. If anyone has a reason to hate another group of people it is John McCain. Mzzz Rohe was not help captive by Republicans for years, tortured, beaten, attempts made to break her spirit and a lasting legacy of not being able to lift her arms above her shoulders. John McCain does not hate Vietnamese people, but Mzzz Rohe sure hates Republicans. Something askew with that view IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaius said: &#8220;You see, those people poked a stick at a tiger in the open. You poked a stick at a man in a cage, constrained by the rules of etiquette and decency not to respond to you. My goodness, what wonderful oppression and all you must be feeling.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said&#8230;very well said. Too many Americans take for granted the privileges we have here. Mzzzz Rohe appears to be one of them. It is a privilege to be asked to be a commencement speaker. It is an even greater privilege to speak in opposition to someone as powerful as a U.S. Senator who is seated only a few feet away from you (and, as and aside, is recycling his commencement address). With privilege, however, comes responsibility. Mzzz Rohe displayed none. If anyone has a reason to hate another group of people it is John McCain. Mzzz Rohe was not help captive by Republicans for years, tortured, beaten, attempts made to break her spirit and a lasting legacy of not being able to lift her arms above her shoulders. John McCain does not hate Vietnamese people, but Mzzz Rohe sure hates Republicans. Something askew with that view IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Riehl World View</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/20/on-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-2998</link>
		<dc:creator>Riehl World View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 03:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Oh, Spare Me...&lt;/strong&gt;

Not content with her fifteen minutes, the naive and self-indulgent Ms. Jean Rohe was apparently compelled enlisted to post at HuffPo on her reasoning for speaking out against Senator John McCain at yesterday&#039;s New School graduation ceremonies. One nee...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Oh, Spare Me&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Not content with her fifteen minutes, the naive and self-indulgent Ms. Jean Rohe was apparently compelled enlisted to post at HuffPo on her reasoning for speaking out against Senator John McCain at yesterday&#8217;s New School graduation ceremonies. One nee&#8230;</p>
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