Comments on: About Time http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:27:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: The Right Nation http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3228 The Right Nation Tue, 23 May 2006 21:04:20 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/#comment-3228 <strong>Baghdad, Midway...</strong> If today's journalists reported the Battle of Midway, we'd read "U.S. Aircraft Shot From Skies", with a brief mention of the destruction of the Japanese carrier fleet buried at the bottom. Ralph Peters, on the New York Post, and Peter Wehner, on... Baghdad, Midway…

If today’s journalists reported the Battle of Midway, we’d read “U.S. Aircraft Shot From Skies”, with a brief mention of the destruction of the Japanese carrier fleet buried at the bottom.

Ralph Peters, on the New York Post, and Peter Wehner, on…

]]> By: jpe http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3220 jpe Tue, 23 May 2006 18:47:59 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/#comment-3220 But for the WMD issue, we wouldn't have gone to war. That much is obvious. "Everything I have heard about the lead-up says we had serious disagreement in the intellegence community." I may be misreading you, but this is why Bush's presentation of the matter as unquestioned is problematic. There was doubt; Bush presented the issue as unquestionable. I don't care much either. We can agree on that, at least. But for the WMD issue, we wouldn’t have gone to war. That much is obvious.

“Everything I have heard about the lead-up says we had serious disagreement in the intellegence community.”

I may be misreading you, but this is why Bush’s presentation of the matter as unquestioned is problematic. There was doubt; Bush presented the issue as unquestionable.

I don’t care much either. We can agree on that, at least.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3217 Gaius Tue, 23 May 2006 18:10:40 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/#comment-3217 jpe, they didn't sidestep. You are looking back with perfect 20/20 hindsight. Always a dangerous standard to apply. Everything I have heard about the lead-up says we had serious disagreement in the intellegence community. I for one don't care. The WMD issue was not the reason we went to war, you're applying revisionist history. We had all the grounds we needed - all - with the UN resolutions. We had a stand-alone just cause in the ceasefire violations. jpe, they didn’t sidestep. You are looking back with perfect 20/20 hindsight. Always a dangerous standard to apply. Everything I have heard about the lead-up says we had serious disagreement in the intellegence community.

I for one don’t care. The WMD issue was not the reason we went to war, you’re applying revisionist history. We had all the grounds we needed – all – with the UN resolutions. We had a stand-alone just cause in the ceasefire violations.

]]> By: jpe http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3214 jpe Tue, 23 May 2006 17:54:18 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/#comment-3214 Let me rephrase: until the actual arguments that Bush lied are engaged (rather than sidestepped, as in the WSJ piece), the notion that Bush didn't lie doesn't deserve traction. Let me rephrase: until the actual arguments that Bush lied are engaged (rather than sidestepped, as in the WSJ piece), the notion that Bush didn’t lie doesn’t deserve traction.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3209 Gaius Tue, 23 May 2006 16:41:08 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/#comment-3209 Nonsense. The story won't get traction on the left because it doesn't fit the revealed wisdom of the left's position. It simply doesn't matter what the facts are when truthiness is at stake. Nonsense. The story won’t get traction on the left because it doesn’t fit the revealed wisdom of the left’s position. It simply doesn’t matter what the facts are when truthiness is at stake.

]]> By: jpe http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3205 jpe Tue, 23 May 2006 16:26:28 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/05/23/about-time-3/#comment-3205 No one doubts Bush's sincerity; the problem is that he had access to countervailing intelligence, yet still said it was a slam-dunk that Iraq had unconventional weapons. In effect, he ignored evidence to the contrary and then presented his case as if there were none to the contrary. That's how he lied; pieces like the WSJ one will never get traction as long as this isn't addressed. No one doubts Bush’s sincerity; the problem is that he had access to countervailing intelligence, yet still said it was a slam-dunk that Iraq had unconventional weapons. In effect, he ignored evidence to the contrary and then presented his case as if there were none to the contrary.

That’s how he lied; pieces like the WSJ one will never get traction as long as this isn’t addressed.

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