Comments on: The Media Is The Decider http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:27:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: chez Diva » Who Should Be Punished? http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7682 chez Diva » Who Should Be Punished? Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:26:18 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7682 [...] I’ve been quiet on this story for the most part - I’ve commented at Blue Crab Boulevard but otherwise have kept my opinion to myself. However, after reading several blogs suggesting that the NYT be prosecuted by the government and reading John Hawkins’ post on this matter - I have decided to comment on it. Like John I believe the leak should be investigated, the leakers found, those leakers should be tried for divulging classified material and when convicted they should suffer the maximum penalities as allowed by the law. [...] [...] I’ve been quiet on this story for the most part – I’ve commented at Blue Crab Boulevard but otherwise have kept my opinion to myself. However, after reading several blogs suggesting that the NYT be prosecuted by the government and reading John Hawkins’ post on this matter – I have decided to comment on it. Like John I believe the leak should be investigated, the leakers found, those leakers should be tried for divulging classified material and when convicted they should suffer the maximum penalities as allowed by the law. [...]

]]> By: Roland Hesz http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7672 Roland Hesz Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:22:31 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7672 Now comes the next round: The European union kindly asks the US: What the heck did you think not telling us that you will watch the european bank transactions too? Well, yes. They still don't understand, that the US has every right, all over the world to do as he pleases, no matter what. They simply don't get it. Stupid guys there... :))) Now comes the next round:

The European union kindly asks the US: What the heck did you think not telling us that you will watch the european bank transactions too?

Well, yes. They still don’t understand, that the US has every right, all over the world to do as he pleases, no matter what.

They simply don’t get it.

Stupid guys there… :) ))

]]> By: The Anti-Jihad Pundit http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7589 The Anti-Jihad Pundit Sun, 25 Jun 2006 23:11:07 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7589 <strong>An update on Jihadi terrorism...</strong> ... An update on Jihadi terrorism…

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]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7315 Gaius Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:08:17 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7315 One thing I particularly dislike is when one of the lefty sites intentionally misrepresents what my post says. The post at Agitprop is completely false in what it attributes to me. "If someone were to publish the floor plans of the New York Times building, would the NYT be so all fired up about the right of the public to know?" is what I wrote. They represent it as: "someone should publish the NYT's floorplan, then maybe some terrorists would kill them, and that'd show 'em!" That would be false, folks. One thing I particularly dislike is when one of the lefty sites intentionally misrepresents what my post says. The post at Agitprop is completely false in what it attributes to me.

“If someone were to publish the floor plans of the New York Times building, would the NYT be so all fired up about the right of the public to know?” is what I wrote. They represent it as:

“someone should publish the NYT’s floorplan, then maybe some terrorists would kill them, and that’d show ‘em!”

That would be false, folks.

]]> By: AGITPROP: Version 3.0, Featuring Blogenfreude http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7314 AGITPROP: Version 3.0, Featuring Blogenfreude Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:50:40 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7314 <strong>Bu$hCo's Bank Surveillance Programâ„¢the...</strong> So now the Dear Leader is checking out some bank transactions along with email, phone calls, and maybe even your tire pressure. Can we say whether it's legal? No. Can we say whether it's made us safer? No again. So... Bu$hCo’s Bank Surveillance Programâ„¢the…

So now the Dear Leader is checking out some bank transactions along with email, phone calls, and maybe even your tire pressure. Can we say whether it’s legal? No. Can we say whether it’s made us safer? No again. So…

]]> By: Roland Hesz http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7298 Roland Hesz Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:49:17 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7298 I got my info from the media. And the media wrote that this program was not authorized by the proper organization, only by the president. If that was wrong information, then of course my argument is invalid. I got my info from the media.
And the media wrote that this program was not authorized by the proper organization, only by the president.

If that was wrong information, then of course my argument is invalid.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7236 Gaius Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:06:11 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7236 Read the Patterico post I linked further up the page. Read the Patterico post I linked further up the page.

]]> By: Donna http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7235 Donna Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:57:57 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7235 Gaius, I agree...let the investigation begin, as it absolutely should be investigated if damage has been done to our nation. Gaius, I agree…let the investigation begin, as it absolutely should be investigated if damage has been done to our nation.

]]> By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » We Are The Keeper Of All Secrets http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7234 Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » We Are The Keeper Of All Secrets Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:50:21 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7234 [...] Blue Crab Boulevard [...] [...] Blue Crab Boulevard [...]

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7218 Gaius Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:19:02 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7218 Then let the criminal investigation begin. I believe damage has been done. Then let the criminal investigation begin. I believe damage has been done.

]]> By: Donna http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7216 Donna Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:07:59 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7216 If the program is likely destroyed now and if that is 'direct damage' to the nation, then there should be a full inquiry. Until that full inquiry is completed, all parties involved in the disclosure of the program are to be presumed innocent and not subjected to pre-judgments [think Haditha] until all the facts are in. Otherwise, there would be a double standard in operation. If the program is likely destroyed now and if that is ‘direct damage’ to the nation, then there should be a full inquiry. Until that full inquiry is completed, all parties involved in the disclosure of the program are to be presumed innocent and not subjected to pre-judgments [think Haditha] until all the facts are in. Otherwise, there would be a double standard in operation.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7206 Gaius Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:29:32 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7206 Read Orin Kerr and Patterico - both attorneys. Both think program is legal. And the program is likely destroyed now. This is direct damage to this nation. Read Orin Kerr and Patterico – both attorneys. Both think program is legal. And the program is likely destroyed now.

This is direct damage to this nation.

]]> By: Donna http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7201 Donna Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:11:51 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7201 Gaius, please. I nor you know what's what. There is simply no way I have enough information [nor do you] to make any judgments about this financial spying. It could be the greatest program in our nation's history, or it could be a scam to corral big monies nefariously...... you and I would be silly to try to judge something as right or wrong that, for all purposes, remains in the 'secret and classified' genre. I was only reacting to this news as a full-fledged adult who notices that, once again, we citizens are being left to trust some unnamed experts about a secret government program, 'experts' who obviously have a vested interest in it as they are a part of instituting it. And for heaven's sake, where did your point about conspiracy come from? I don't think in conspiracy terms......but I do look at news in terms of human nature and history which are replete with stories of great human acheivements as well as great human follies. Please do not try to categorize my wondering as the opposite of your trusting. Gaius, please. I nor you know what’s what. There is simply no way I have enough information [nor do you] to make any judgments about this financial spying. It could be the greatest program in our nation’s history, or it could be a scam to corral big monies nefariously…… you and I would be silly to try to judge something as right or wrong that, for all purposes, remains in the ‘secret and classified’ genre.

I was only reacting to this news as a full-fledged adult who notices that, once again, we citizens are being left to trust some unnamed experts about a secret government program, ‘experts’ who obviously have a vested interest in it as they are a part of instituting it.

And for heaven’s sake, where did your point about conspiracy come from? I don’t think in conspiracy terms……but I do look at news in terms of human nature and history which are replete with stories of great human acheivements as well as great human follies.

Please do not try to categorize my wondering as the opposite of your trusting.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7190 Gaius Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:19:10 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7190 What law did the Times say was broken? None. They even stated the program did not appear to violate the more stringent laws in place in other countries, did they? "Because the New York Times said so" is not one bit better - in fact it is likely a good deal worse. The experts who tried to talk the Times out of publishing this are listed as bi-partisan. The Congress was briefed in. Foreign people were briefed in and required additional controls. If there is a conspiracy it is not by the government against you or me. It is by rogue leakers and agenda driven reporting which disregards your life and mine. What law did the Times say was broken? None. They even stated the program did not appear to violate the more stringent laws in place in other countries, did they?

“Because the New York Times said so” is not one bit better – in fact it is likely a good deal worse. The experts who tried to talk the Times out of publishing this are listed as bi-partisan. The Congress was briefed in. Foreign people were briefed in and required additional controls.

If there is a conspiracy it is not by the government against you or me. It is by rogue leakers and agenda driven reporting which disregards your life and mine.

]]> By: Donna http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/comment-page-1/#comment-7188 Donna Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:10:37 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/06/23/the-media-is-the-decider/#comment-7188 Gaius, you say the program is legal, and that even the papers say so. I read the papers and found that the papers did not say that the program is legal.....or not legal. The articles were quoting Levey [undersec'y of treasury] and other executive branch persons who were the ones saying 'this is all legal'. To me, this is like executive branch folks declaring so many other secret programs legal. So we citizens may never know if this latest program is legal or not legal, as it pertains to our existing laws. That unknowing and a national situation in which we must simply trust is precisely why I wrote the stuff about Big Brother. Big Brother operates programs in secret. Big Brother tells us those programs are legal and not damaging civil rights. We are left with trusting or wondering about Big Brother. Some folks trust, some folks wonder. No, I do not think the NYT is better to decide what is 'best for me'. Human beings, even 'the experts' [those who play Big Brother] are fallible and so our system was set up to take that into account through constitutionally required checks and balances. I personally want to know that those checks and balances are operative. I still remember being a child and hearing, "Because I said so...." as though that sufficed instead of an explanation. It is a bit maddening to be an adult in my sixties and be in a situation where now I'm supposed trust a secretive Big Brother. The only entity deserving that kind of total trust is God. Gaius, you say the program is legal, and that even the papers say so. I read the papers and found that the papers did not say that the program is legal…..or not legal. The articles were quoting Levey [undersec'y of treasury] and other executive branch persons who were the ones saying ‘this is all legal’. To me, this is like executive branch folks declaring so many other secret programs legal. So we citizens may never know if this latest program is legal or not legal, as it pertains to our existing laws.

That unknowing and a national situation in which we must simply trust is precisely why I wrote the stuff about Big Brother. Big Brother operates programs in secret. Big Brother tells us those programs are legal and not damaging civil rights. We are left with trusting or wondering about Big Brother. Some folks trust, some folks wonder.

No, I do not think the NYT is better to decide what is ‘best for me’. Human beings, even ‘the experts’ [those who play Big Brother] are fallible and so our system was set up to take that into account through constitutionally required checks and balances. I personally want to know that those checks and balances are operative.

I still remember being a child and hearing, “Because I said so….” as though that sufficed instead of an explanation. It is a bit maddening to be an adult in my sixties and be in a situation where now I’m supposed trust a secretive Big Brother. The only entity deserving that kind of total trust is God.

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