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		<title>By: jodetoad</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/21/changing-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-12394</link>
		<dc:creator>jodetoad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our western model of honor we inherit from who knows how many centuries, accepted conventions of warfare, knighthood, all that stuff.  Our almost innate understanding of conflict resolution is cultural.  

As best I understand it, the middle east nomadic tribal tradition was to continue feuds for generations of low-level raiding, until one combatant finally was able to totally defeat the other, or some external event changed the situation.  Their ideas of conflict resolution are cultural.

As human beings, east and west can understand each other well in some areas, yet in other areas we each are confounded by the thinking of the other.

To keep trying the same actions and expect different results is one definition of insanity.  If the parties are using different rules, it&#039;s time to change all the rules.  We have tried the old way enough times to expect the results to be predictable.

And I don&#039;t see that we have any obligation to pretend not to discriminate.  Israel is an ally.  If that word means anything, the US is on Israel&#039;s side, and Israel is not at fault here.  Why bend over backward to pretend otherwise?  We want to act in reasonable and considered ways, but at this point, nothing we could do would change the feelings of those who detest us.  Our image in the middle east is pretty much a lost cause, and should not be a serious consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our western model of honor we inherit from who knows how many centuries, accepted conventions of warfare, knighthood, all that stuff.  Our almost innate understanding of conflict resolution is cultural.  </p>
<p>As best I understand it, the middle east nomadic tribal tradition was to continue feuds for generations of low-level raiding, until one combatant finally was able to totally defeat the other, or some external event changed the situation.  Their ideas of conflict resolution are cultural.</p>
<p>As human beings, east and west can understand each other well in some areas, yet in other areas we each are confounded by the thinking of the other.</p>
<p>To keep trying the same actions and expect different results is one definition of insanity.  If the parties are using different rules, it&#8217;s time to change all the rules.  We have tried the old way enough times to expect the results to be predictable.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t see that we have any obligation to pretend not to discriminate.  Israel is an ally.  If that word means anything, the US is on Israel&#8217;s side, and Israel is not at fault here.  Why bend over backward to pretend otherwise?  We want to act in reasonable and considered ways, but at this point, nothing we could do would change the feelings of those who detest us.  Our image in the middle east is pretty much a lost cause, and should not be a serious consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/21/changing-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-12306</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 00:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It would be so much easier to move an entire country thatâ€™s been there for sixty years than to MAKE TERRORISTS STOP KILLINGâ€¦TO REMOVE FAKE ARMIES IN SKI MASKS FROM OTHERWISE PEACEABLE COUNTRIESâ€¦&lt;/i&gt;

How do you make terrorists stop killing? And which countries are you referring to when you say &quot;from otherwise peaceable countries&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It would be so much easier to move an entire country thatâ€™s been there for sixty years than to MAKE TERRORISTS STOP KILLINGâ€¦TO REMOVE FAKE ARMIES IN SKI MASKS FROM OTHERWISE PEACEABLE COUNTRIESâ€¦</i></p>
<p>How do you make terrorists stop killing? And which countries are you referring to when you say &#8220;from otherwise peaceable countries&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/21/changing-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-12260</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Oh.   I re-read the comments.  Sorry, Alan, I was actually responding to the comment by Juaquin right above yours, not to yous</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Oh.   I re-read the comments.  Sorry, Alan, I was actually responding to the comment by Juaquin right above yours, not to yous</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/21/changing-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-12257</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s more accurately translated as, &quot;Thou shalt not murder&quot;, Donna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s more accurately translated as, &#8220;Thou shalt not murder&#8221;, Donna.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/21/changing-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-12255</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, first of all I have free will, given in God&#039;s creation.  What I do with my free will is exactly and all that shapes my own soul&#039;s qualities.  It is only my soul qualities that will go with me when I die, whether those qualities I have developed are aligned with God&#039;s will or aligned against God&#039;s will.  I will not be passing on with any power and/or material accumulations of this life.  And I especially will not get to take along some clever justifications for disobeying the Ten Commandments.  

Though my heart goes out to those whose lives are being destroyed, I wrote my comment not out of pity, but rather out of a sense of responsibility to take a stand for God&#039;s laws, the first of which is &quot;Thou shalt not kill&quot;.  The question I always ask when I see what I consider over-reaching beyond-defense destruction is, &quot;Where were the German people when Hitler began to &#039;eradicate&#039; whole populations?&#039;  Were the Germans watching Hitler&#039;s destructive force and sitting on their hands diverting themselves with pondering about models for successful eradication of whomever the &#039;enemy&#039; was at the time?  

So, Alan, I am trying to say that there is something more important to me than &#039;protection&#039;.   I cannot control what others do, including what terrorists do, or what Israel does to combat terrorism.  But I do have control and responsibility over whether I compromise my own soul by sitting silent, or worse yet, scurrying about to &#039;justify&#039; through a &#039;new model&#039;  the breaking of God&#039;s laws.  That &#039;new model&#039; might bring a &#039;peace&#039; solution for Israel in the same way the &#039;eradicating the Jews&#039; was the &#039;answer&#039; that was supposed to benefit Hitler&#039;s Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, first of all I have free will, given in God&#8217;s creation.  What I do with my free will is exactly and all that shapes my own soul&#8217;s qualities.  It is only my soul qualities that will go with me when I die, whether those qualities I have developed are aligned with God&#8217;s will or aligned against God&#8217;s will.  I will not be passing on with any power and/or material accumulations of this life.  And I especially will not get to take along some clever justifications for disobeying the Ten Commandments.  </p>
<p>Though my heart goes out to those whose lives are being destroyed, I wrote my comment not out of pity, but rather out of a sense of responsibility to take a stand for God&#8217;s laws, the first of which is &#8220;Thou shalt not kill&#8221;.  The question I always ask when I see what I consider over-reaching beyond-defense destruction is, &#8220;Where were the German people when Hitler began to &#8216;eradicate&#8217; whole populations?&#8217;  Were the Germans watching Hitler&#8217;s destructive force and sitting on their hands diverting themselves with pondering about models for successful eradication of whomever the &#8216;enemy&#8217; was at the time?  </p>
<p>So, Alan, I am trying to say that there is something more important to me than &#8216;protection&#8217;.   I cannot control what others do, including what terrorists do, or what Israel does to combat terrorism.  But I do have control and responsibility over whether I compromise my own soul by sitting silent, or worse yet, scurrying about to &#8216;justify&#8217; through a &#8216;new model&#8217;  the breaking of God&#8217;s laws.  That &#8216;new model&#8217; might bring a &#8216;peace&#8217; solution for Israel in the same way the &#8216;eradicating the Jews&#8217; was the &#8216;answer&#8217; that was supposed to benefit Hitler&#8217;s Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: bRight &#38; Early &#187; First Cup 07.21.06</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/21/changing-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-12122</link>
		<dc:creator>bRight &#38; Early &#187; First Cup 07.21.06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blue Crab Boulevard Changing The Model &#8212; &quot;One could ask what was gained by following the old model? A few years of lower level violence at best? Was peace ever achieved? No, not really. The closest thing to any success has been the uneasy relations between Israel and Egypt. But that peace has not stopped the ability of Hamas to get arms and ammunition into Gaza, has it? The old model just does not work when one side is not serious about it.&quot; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blue Crab Boulevard Changing The Model &#8212; &#8220;One could ask what was gained by following the old model? A few years of lower level violence at best? Was peace ever achieved? No, not really. The closest thing to any success has been the uneasy relations between Israel and Egypt. But that peace has not stopped the ability of Hamas to get arms and ammunition into Gaza, has it? The old model just does not work when one side is not serious about it.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Juaquin Salgado</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/21/changing-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-12121</link>
		<dc:creator>Juaquin Salgado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thinking!!  It would be so much easier to move an entire country that&#039;s been there for sixty years than to MAKE TERRORISTS STOP KILLING...TO REMOVE FAKE ARMIES IN SKI MASKS FROM OTHERWISE PEACEABLE COUNTRIES...How tortured must your logic become in the hope for peace?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thinking!!  It would be so much easier to move an entire country that&#8217;s been there for sixty years than to MAKE TERRORISTS STOP KILLING&#8230;TO REMOVE FAKE ARMIES IN SKI MASKS FROM OTHERWISE PEACEABLE COUNTRIES&#8230;How tortured must your logic become in the hope for peace?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/21/changing-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-12117</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was the modern state of Israel ever a good idea? I think not. 

Instead of enacting social policies of inclusion and accomodation, Europe has been exporting its adventurers, socio-economically deprived and dissidents to other global at the expense of indigenous populations for centuries. The genocidal holocausts resulting from this practice have produced suffering among innocents in number and degree that belies any claim that the suffering of European Jews might make as to historically unique victimization. 

If the Euro-Jewish holocaust and the pogroms and discrimination that preceeded it provide the principal rationale  for a separate Jewish state, then it is Europeans, not Palestinians, who owe the debt of land for the blood of slaughtered innocents. 

I am a descendent of European social malcontents currently residing on land which for thousands of years was inhabited by Native American tribes that for the most part have been marginalized or driven to extinction. Furthermore, I am the descendent of Celts, Normans, Saxons and who knows what else: that is, groups that did their best at various points in history to enslave, oppress and wipe each other out.

As unfair as I believe it is that Israel was established where it has been, it has managed, with a great deal of U.S. assistance, to become to militarily too powerful to be dislodged, absent unthinkable acts of warfare.

We really need to recast our thinking about Israel and its geographical neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was the modern state of Israel ever a good idea? I think not. </p>
<p>Instead of enacting social policies of inclusion and accomodation, Europe has been exporting its adventurers, socio-economically deprived and dissidents to other global at the expense of indigenous populations for centuries. The genocidal holocausts resulting from this practice have produced suffering among innocents in number and degree that belies any claim that the suffering of European Jews might make as to historically unique victimization. </p>
<p>If the Euro-Jewish holocaust and the pogroms and discrimination that preceeded it provide the principal rationale  for a separate Jewish state, then it is Europeans, not Palestinians, who owe the debt of land for the blood of slaughtered innocents. </p>
<p>I am a descendent of European social malcontents currently residing on land which for thousands of years was inhabited by Native American tribes that for the most part have been marginalized or driven to extinction. Furthermore, I am the descendent of Celts, Normans, Saxons and who knows what else: that is, groups that did their best at various points in history to enslave, oppress and wipe each other out.</p>
<p>As unfair as I believe it is that Israel was established where it has been, it has managed, with a great deal of U.S. assistance, to become to militarily too powerful to be dislodged, absent unthinkable acts of warfare.</p>
<p>We really need to recast our thinking about Israel and its geographical neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Juaquin Salgado</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/21/changing-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-12112</link>
		<dc:creator>Juaquin Salgado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna, unfortunately pity, however warrantable, does not provide free people with protection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna, unfortunately pity, however warrantable, does not provide free people with protection.</p>
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		<title>By: Juaquin Salgado</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/21/changing-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-12111</link>
		<dc:creator>Juaquin Salgado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more.  In fact, this is about a concisely as this position has been stated.  Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  In fact, this is about a concisely as this position has been stated.  Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/21/changing-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-12110</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So just keep doing the same useless thing over and over instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So just keep doing the same useless thing over and over instead?</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/21/changing-the-model/comment-page-1/#comment-12108</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this talk of models is so soothing to our souls while we witness this scene of people dying and their livelihoods being destroyed.    I forgot for a moment that most of the dying ones are unserious anyway, so they and any others we self-justifiably get to label with a  collective identity are fair targets for destruction.    Much more important than saving lives is to find the correct new-model level of punishment  that will once and for all eradicate reactions to er, overwhelming disproportionate punitive force.  Destroy infrastructure, destroy whole societal systems, and so forth.   After all, this worked in Iraq, didn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this talk of models is so soothing to our souls while we witness this scene of people dying and their livelihoods being destroyed.    I forgot for a moment that most of the dying ones are unserious anyway, so they and any others we self-justifiably get to label with a  collective identity are fair targets for destruction.    Much more important than saving lives is to find the correct new-model level of punishment  that will once and for all eradicate reactions to er, overwhelming disproportionate punitive force.  Destroy infrastructure, destroy whole societal systems, and so forth.   After all, this worked in Iraq, didn&#8217;t it?</p>
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