Comments on: Is Hezbollah Folding? http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:00:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Klein Verzet http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14441 Klein Verzet Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:59:09 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14441 <strong>This war: Linkage round-up...</strong> Israel getting cold feet? International pressure seems to be affecting the Israeli leadership. More from In From the Cold. Egeland asks for a three day truce in Lebanon to evacuate civilians left in the battle space. Hezbollah must be really hu..... This war: Linkage round-up…

Israel getting cold feet? International pressure seems to be affecting the Israeli leadership. More from In From the Cold.

Egeland asks for a three day truce in Lebanon to evacuate civilians left in the battle space.

Hezbollah must be really hu…..

]]> By: Too Cool for Words http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14435 Too Cool for Words Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:11:23 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14435 <strong>Hezbollah, Seattle shooter, same agenda ...</strong> "Hezbollah" is just another word for "Kill Jews." So the shooting in Seattle gives CAIR a new opportunity to do what they do best, lie ...... Hezbollah, Seattle shooter, same agenda …

“Hezbollah” is just another word for “Kill Jews.” So the shooting in Seattle gives CAIR a new opportunity to do what they do best, lie ……

]]> By: ladsflajdad http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14423 ladsflajdad Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:48:10 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14423 One might wonder if the air campaign with so little ground action is working after all. However, talk of an agreement is not an agreement, and an agreement is not an implementation. One might wonder if the air campaign with so little ground action is working after all. However, talk of an agreement is not an agreement, and an agreement is not an implementation.

]]> By: crosspatch http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14421 crosspatch Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:02:55 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14421 In other words, Israel agrees to a ceasefire in exchange for Hezbollah possibly condidering a peacekeeping force. You are asking Israel to give a real in exchange for a potential when dealing with someone who has a long track record of lying. It makes no sense. In other words, Israel agrees to a ceasefire in exchange for Hezbollah possibly condidering a peacekeeping force. You are asking Israel to give a real in exchange for a potential when dealing with someone who has a long track record of lying. It makes no sense.

]]> By: crosspatch http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14420 crosspatch Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:56:56 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14420 Okay, I took it differently. If they could negotiate a ceasefire that causes Israel to stop now and accept "other conditions" while imposing no immediate conditions on Hezbollah aside from possibly considering a foreign "peacekeeping" force at some point in the future, then who really wins? Hezbollah gets a ceasefire, resupplies and rearms, then refuses to agree to the peacekeeping force. Simple. Now they are right back to where they were before the thing started. I would accept no ceasefire that did not include as a condition some kind of force in place in Southern Lebanon that prevents Hezbollah from remanning, rearming, and resupplying the areas Isreal has already cleared. In other words, do you call a ceasefire, allow Hezbollah to go back in to Bent Jbeil and then start firing rockets again leaving Israel having to take the town all over again? I know it seems stupid, but diplomats reach stupid agreements sometimes and what I read in that article clearly gives Hezbollah the upper hand. They agree to let Israel stop shooting at them in return for nothing on their side. Okay, I took it differently. If they could negotiate a ceasefire that causes Israel to stop now and accept “other conditions” while imposing no immediate conditions on Hezbollah aside from possibly considering a foreign “peacekeeping” force at some point in the future, then who really wins?

Hezbollah gets a ceasefire, resupplies and rearms, then refuses to agree to the peacekeeping force. Simple. Now they are right back to where they were before the thing started. I would accept no ceasefire that did not include as a condition some kind of force in place in Southern Lebanon that prevents Hezbollah from remanning, rearming, and resupplying the areas Isreal has already cleared.

In other words, do you call a ceasefire, allow Hezbollah to go back in to Bent Jbeil and then start firing rockets again leaving Israel having to take the town all over again?

I know it seems stupid, but diplomats reach stupid agreements sometimes and what I read in that article clearly gives Hezbollah the upper hand. They agree to let Israel stop shooting at them in return for nothing on their side.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14419 Gaius Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:29:24 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14419 My point is that they would not even think of doing this if they tought they were winning. Right? Ergo, they are losing and they know it. My point is that they would not even think of doing this if they tought they were winning. Right?

Ergo, they are losing and they know it.

]]> By: crosspatch http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14418 crosspatch Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:16:59 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14418 What bothers me most is: <blockquote> The package falls short of American and Israeli demands in that it calls for an immediate cease-fire before working out details of a force <b>and includes other conditions.</b> </blockquote> So what it is really saying is that if Israel stops shooting right now, and does some other things, then maybe someday we might do some other things. That isn't enough for a ceasefire in my opinion. What bothers me most is:

The package falls short of American and Israeli demands in that it calls for an immediate cease-fire before working out details of a force and includes other conditions.

So what it is really saying is that if Israel stops shooting right now, and does some other things, then maybe someday we might do some other things. That isn’t enough for a ceasefire in my opinion.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14417 Gaius Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:09:02 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14417 I stand corrected. On the other hand, it's a lot less than what was happening, so that's hopeful Look, I don't trust that these guys will really disarm, either. But it has to start somewhere - if even a few more realize this crap will bring all hell down on them, maybe they'll blink. I stand corrected. On the other hand, it’s a lot less than what was happening, so that’s hopeful

Look, I don’t trust that these guys will really disarm, either. But it has to start somewhere – if even a few more realize this crap will bring all hell down on them, maybe they’ll blink.

]]> By: crosspatch http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14416 crosspatch Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:05:12 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14416 See, the problem is that Abbas keeps reaching "agreements" and the other groups (PIJ and Hamas) refuse to go along. What we are actually seeing here is what the problem was in pre-Westphalian Europe when you had this prince or that prince dictation their religion, having their army, and running little private wars. We imposed a post-Westphalian nation-state reality on the region in 1920 but they don't have the cultural history to understand it the way we do. So they are going through their own 80-years war, 30-years war, whatever war ... until the notion that a state needs one army and one voice sinks in, they are not going to get anywhere and we are all eliminating windward, on both sides. See, the problem is that Abbas keeps reaching “agreements” and the other groups (PIJ and Hamas) refuse to go along. What we are actually seeing here is what the problem was in pre-Westphalian Europe when you had this prince or that prince dictation their religion, having their army, and running little private wars. We imposed a post-Westphalian nation-state reality on the region in 1920 but they don’t have the cultural history to understand it the way we do. So they are going through their own 80-years war, 30-years war, whatever war … until the notion that a state needs one army and one voice sinks in, they are not going to get anywhere and we are all eliminating windward, on both sides.

]]> By: crosspatch http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14415 crosspatch Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:52:52 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14415 "A rocket landed next to a kindergarten in south of Ashkelon, wounding two children, while eight suffered from shock on Friday morning. Earlier, a number of rockets hit central Sderot. No one was wounded, but residents demanded a boost in army operations on the southern front. Sderot residents, who felt neglected before fighting began in the north, are still under fire despite a strong Israeli offensive in the Gaza Strip. Thursday night five Kassams were fired towards Sderot and the Shaar Hanegev region. No one was wounded." http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=8819 “A rocket landed next to a kindergarten in south of Ashkelon, wounding two children, while eight suffered from shock on Friday morning.

Earlier, a number of rockets hit central Sderot. No one was wounded, but residents demanded a boost in army operations on the southern front. Sderot residents, who felt neglected before fighting began in the north, are still under fire despite a strong Israeli offensive in the Gaza Strip.

Thursday night five Kassams were fired towards Sderot and the Shaar Hanegev region. No one was wounded.”

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=8819

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14414 Gaius Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:49:38 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14414 No, not Hezbollah. Hamas. They stopped launching from Gaza after they announced they were ready to fold. No, not Hezbollah. Hamas. They stopped launching from Gaza after they announced they were ready to fold.

]]> By: crosspatch http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14412 crosspatch Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:47:17 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14412 "Hezbollah launched 105 Katyusha rockets at northern Israel on Friday, five striking as far south as the Afula area - the first time that the Jezreel Valley has been hit in a week." http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/743555.html “Hezbollah launched 105 Katyusha rockets at northern Israel on Friday, five striking as far south as the Afula area – the first time that the Jezreel Valley has been hit in a week.”

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/743555.html

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14410 Gaius Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:40:06 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14410 Here's what's interesting. Hamas appears to have stopped firing their rockets. I have not heard of any hits in the South, have you? They still hold their kidnap victim but appear to have stopped the rockets. We'll see. Here’s what’s interesting. Hamas appears to have stopped firing their rockets. I have not heard of any hits in the South, have you? They still hold their kidnap victim but appear to have stopped the rockets.

We’ll see.

]]> By: crosspatch http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14409 crosspatch Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:35:38 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14409 How many times have the Palestinians "agreed" to a ceasefire this week only to launch more missiles? I will belive this from Hezbollah when I actually see it. They will agree to "disarm" and turn over a few dozen old WWI rifles some codgers have had stored in their attics for a generation or two. Unless they turn over several thosand rockets, this is bull. Sorry, I just don't trust them. But it is possible, I suppose, that Hezbollah has got the message that they are "on their own". Somehow I doubt Iran would abandon them. How many times have the Palestinians “agreed” to a ceasefire this week only to launch more missiles? I will belive this from Hezbollah when I actually see it. They will agree to “disarm” and turn over a few dozen old WWI rifles some codgers have had stored in their attics for a generation or two.

Unless they turn over several thosand rockets, this is bull. Sorry, I just don’t trust them. But it is possible, I suppose, that Hezbollah has got the message that they are “on their own”. Somehow I doubt Iran would abandon them.

]]> By: Don Singleton http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/comment-page-1/#comment-14408 Don Singleton Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:33:23 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/28/is-hezbollah-folding/#comment-14408 <strong>Is Hezbollah Folding?...</strong> At least Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah's secretary-general, is very frightened that Israel will find where he is hiding, because he knows they are targeting him. These cowards will do anything to protect their own lives, even back down (for a whi.... Is Hezbollah Folding?…

At least Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah’s secretary-general, is very frightened that Israel will find where he is hiding, because he knows they are targeting him. These cowards will do anything to protect their own lives, even back down (for a whi….

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