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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15080</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, CL is the same guy I banned as &quot;former righty&quot; after the last egregeous ad hominem. I tried a registration thing, but it killed trackbacks, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, CL is the same guy I banned as &#8220;former righty&#8221; after the last egregeous ad hominem. I tried a registration thing, but it killed trackbacks, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackhawk</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15079</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, go to work for a day and look what happens. I missed the puppet show. Hafta start figuing out that Tivo thing...

Is bashing sockpuppets as much fun as Whak-A-Mole, or does it just get tiring?

I saw over at Ace&#039;s that they have started using some new-fangled ID thing that gets stamped with your post (it&#039;s the &#039;new comment thingy&#039;). But it looks like some folks could still get around it. I ain&#039;t smurt enough to figur it out. I can barely handle the static IPs we use at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, go to work for a day and look what happens. I missed the puppet show. Hafta start figuing out that Tivo thing&#8230;</p>
<p>Is bashing sockpuppets as much fun as Whak-A-Mole, or does it just get tiring?</p>
<p>I saw over at Ace&#8217;s that they have started using some new-fangled ID thing that gets stamped with your post (it&#8217;s the &#8216;new comment thingy&#8217;). But it looks like some folks could still get around it. I ain&#8217;t smurt enough to figur it out. I can barely handle the static IPs we use at work.</p>
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		<title>By: The Right Nation</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15055</link>
		<dc:creator>The Right Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Wuterich vs Murtha...&lt;/strong&gt;

Il sergente dei marines Frank D. Wuterich ha querelato il congressman democratico John Murtha per diffamazione. Wuterich, uno dei militari statunitensi implicati nella cosiddetta strage di Haditha, in Iraq, ha chiesto di accelerare il processo che lo.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Wuterich vs Murtha&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Il sergente dei marines Frank D. Wuterich ha querelato il congressman democratico John Murtha per diffamazione. Wuterich, uno dei militari statunitensi implicati nella cosiddetta strage di Haditha, in Iraq, ha chiesto di accelerare il processo che lo&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: PartisanTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15042</link>
		<dc:creator>PartisanTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;For Murtha: Lawsuit, Good; Muzzle, Better...&lt;/strong&gt;

Marine Corps staff sergeant, Frank D. Wuterich, has filed a lawsuit against John Murtha, the disgraced congressman from Pennsylvania, alleging defamation of character. Wuterich&#039;s attorneys should face little difficulty demonstrating Murtha&#039;s culpabil...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>For Murtha: Lawsuit, Good; Muzzle, Better&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Marine Corps staff sergeant, Frank D. Wuterich, has filed a lawsuit against John Murtha, the disgraced congressman from Pennsylvania, alleging defamation of character. Wuterich&#8217;s attorneys should face little difficulty demonstrating Murtha&#8217;s culpabil&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15041</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should check my IP logs more frequently. I hate getting in a comment exchange with a sockpuppet for a banned commenter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should check my IP logs more frequently. I hate getting in a comment exchange with a sockpuppet for a banned commenter.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15038</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You believe it is so, that colors your perception of what you read in the media. One very simple explanation - there is not enough evidence to prosecute. In which case you would not hear about it because they would not want to tip their hands.

But you automatically assume that the military is refusing to go after the higher-ups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You believe it is so, that colors your perception of what you read in the media. One very simple explanation &#8211; there is not enough evidence to prosecute. In which case you would not hear about it because they would not want to tip their hands.</p>
<p>But you automatically assume that the military is refusing to go after the higher-ups.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Liberal</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15036</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Fox News:

&lt;i&gt;LONDON â€” The American general who was in charge of Iraq&#039;s Abu Ghraib (search) prison claimed she was being made a scapegoat for the abuse of detainees, and said her successor once told her that prisoners should be treated &quot;like dogs.&quot;

In an interview with British Broadcasting Corp. radio broadcast Tuesday, Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski (search) said Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller (search) told her last autumn that prisoners &quot;are like dogs, and if you allow them to believe at any point that they are more than a dog then you&#039;ve lost control of them.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

[snip]

&lt;i&gt;Karpinski said that during a visit to Iraq in September, Miller â€” still the commander at the Guantanamo Bay prison â€” spoke of wanting to &quot;Gitmoize&quot; Abu Ghraib by applying the Cuban facility&#039;s regimented detention and interrogation techniques.

&quot;He talked about Gitmoizing in terms of what the (military police) were going to do; he was going to select the MPs, they were going to receive special training,&quot; she said.

&quot;That training was going to come from the military intelligence command,&quot; Karpinski added, noting that the troops under her command had no training in such interrogation techniques.&lt;/i&gt;

Okay, that&#039;s not a liberal fantasy that higher-rankiing officers were involved in the abuse at Abu Ghraib, it&#039;s another General speaking.  Yes, she may have had reason to deflect attention away from herself, but here&#039;s another story that lends credence that Maj. Gen. Miller was involved in the abuse:

&lt;i&gt;An Army general who was in charge of the Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay prisons has refused to testify against two soldiers accused of siccing dogs on Iraqi detainees.

Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller on Tuesday invoked the military&#039;s version of the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in the prosecutions of Sgts. Michael Smith and Santos Cardona. The two say they simply followed orders.

Miller&#039;s lawyer, Maj. Michelle Crawford, said he refused to testify because he had answered similar questions already in congressional hearings and other abuse cases.

But experts said Miller likely fears prosecution for ordering the use of dogs or he would help the soldiers by testifying. &quot;What&#039;s he afraid of if he&#039;s already answered the questions?&quot; said Geoff Corn, a former Army prosecutor.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Fox News:</p>
<p><i>LONDON â€” The American general who was in charge of Iraq&#8217;s Abu Ghraib (search) prison claimed she was being made a scapegoat for the abuse of detainees, and said her successor once told her that prisoners should be treated &#8220;like dogs.&#8221;</p>
<p>In an interview with British Broadcasting Corp. radio broadcast Tuesday, Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski (search) said Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller (search) told her last autumn that prisoners &#8220;are like dogs, and if you allow them to believe at any point that they are more than a dog then you&#8217;ve lost control of them.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>[snip]</p>
<p><i>Karpinski said that during a visit to Iraq in September, Miller â€” still the commander at the Guantanamo Bay prison â€” spoke of wanting to &#8220;Gitmoize&#8221; Abu Ghraib by applying the Cuban facility&#8217;s regimented detention and interrogation techniques.</p>
<p>&#8220;He talked about Gitmoizing in terms of what the (military police) were going to do; he was going to select the MPs, they were going to receive special training,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p>&#8220;That training was going to come from the military intelligence command,&#8221; Karpinski added, noting that the troops under her command had no training in such interrogation techniques.</i></p>
<p>Okay, that&#8217;s not a liberal fantasy that higher-rankiing officers were involved in the abuse at Abu Ghraib, it&#8217;s another General speaking.  Yes, she may have had reason to deflect attention away from herself, but here&#8217;s another story that lends credence that Maj. Gen. Miller was involved in the abuse:</p>
<p><i>An Army general who was in charge of the Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay prisons has refused to testify against two soldiers accused of siccing dogs on Iraqi detainees.</p>
<p>Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller on Tuesday invoked the military&#8217;s version of the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in the prosecutions of Sgts. Michael Smith and Santos Cardona. The two say they simply followed orders.</p>
<p>Miller&#8217;s lawyer, Maj. Michelle Crawford, said he refused to testify because he had answered similar questions already in congressional hearings and other abuse cases.</p>
<p>But experts said Miller likely fears prosecution for ordering the use of dogs or he would help the soldiers by testifying. &#8220;What&#8217;s he afraid of if he&#8217;s already answered the questions?&#8221; said Geoff Corn, a former Army prosecutor.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Liberal</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15032</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller was sent to Iraq to &quot;gitmoize&quot; Abu Ghraib, and he told officers there &quot;to treat the prisoners like dogs.&quot;  That says to me there is higher involvement.

Why aren&#039;t the DoD officials also being sued?  This lawsuit seems to be politically motivated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller was sent to Iraq to &#8220;gitmoize&#8221; Abu Ghraib, and he told officers there &#8220;to treat the prisoners like dogs.&#8221;  That says to me there is higher involvement.</p>
<p>Why aren&#8217;t the DoD officials also being sued?  This lawsuit seems to be politically motivated.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15030</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your ideology is showing. You assume there just has to be higher level involvement.

The military was already investgating abu Ghraib before one of the soldier&#039;s lawyers leaked the pictures.

Wrong, Geek. Might want to consult a lawyer. Reporting false inforamtion as fact does not shield the person. It is still libel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your ideology is showing. You assume there just has to be higher level involvement.</p>
<p>The military was already investgating abu Ghraib before one of the soldier&#8217;s lawyers leaked the pictures.</p>
<p>Wrong, Geek. Might want to consult a lawyer. Reporting false inforamtion as fact does not shield the person. It is still libel.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Liberal</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15029</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that My Lai was a long time ago.  It&#039;s also when Murtha served in combat, so it&#039;s likely that it shaped where he was coming from.

What evidence do you have that the military has changed in how it investigates and prosecutes war crimes?  Abu Ghraib?  So far, only low-ranking members of the military have been prosecuted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that My Lai was a long time ago.  It&#8217;s also when Murtha served in combat, so it&#8217;s likely that it shaped where he was coming from.</p>
<p>What evidence do you have that the military has changed in how it investigates and prosecutes war crimes?  Abu Ghraib?  So far, only low-ranking members of the military have been prosecuted.</p>
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		<title>By: Geek, Esq.</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15028</link>
		<dc:creator>Geek, Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if the WaPo summary of the lawsuit is accurate, the Marine&#039;s lawyers may have pled themselves right out of court.

&quot;In the court filing, obtained by The Washington Post, the lawyers say that Murtha made the comments after being briefed by Defense Department officials who &quot;deliberately provided him with inaccurate and false information.&quot; &quot;

If they&#039;re alleging that the DoD lied to Murtha, who then repeated what the DoD said, then that pretty much exculpates Murtha as far as defamation is concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if the WaPo summary of the lawsuit is accurate, the Marine&#8217;s lawyers may have pled themselves right out of court.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the court filing, obtained by The Washington Post, the lawyers say that Murtha made the comments after being briefed by Defense Department officials who &#8220;deliberately provided him with inaccurate and false information.&#8221; &#8221;</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re alleging that the DoD lied to Murtha, who then repeated what the DoD said, then that pretty much exculpates Murtha as far as defamation is concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15027</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, enough. My Lai was a long time ago, in different circumstance and a completely different army. The left&#039;s insistance that eveything is Vietnam becomes very tiresome. The official report on My Lia was very thorough. Neither you, nor I know why the prosecutions were as they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, enough. My Lai was a long time ago, in different circumstance and a completely different army. The left&#8217;s insistance that eveything is Vietnam becomes very tiresome. The official report on My Lia was very thorough. Neither you, nor I know why the prosecutions were as they were.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Liberal</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15026</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaius, how many people served prison time for the My Lai massacre?

Answer that, then explain to me how that shows that the military does a thorough job of investigating possible war crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaius, how many people served prison time for the My Lai massacre?</p>
<p>Answer that, then explain to me how that shows that the military does a thorough job of investigating possible war crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15025</link>
		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Haditha Marine Suing Murtha...&lt;/strong&gt;

Recall some of the statements made by Murtha like:
    * the Marines had â€œkilled innocent civilians in cold bloodâ€
    * &#8220;Itâ€™s much worse than was reported in Time magazineâ€
[&#8230;]And you will understand where this Marine is coming fro...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Haditha Marine Suing Murtha&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Recall some of the statements made by Murtha like:<br />
    * the Marines had â€œkilled innocent civilians in cold bloodâ€<br />
    * &#8220;Itâ€™s much worse than was reported in Time magazineâ€<br />
[&#8230;]And you will understand where this Marine is coming fro&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/02/murtha-to-be-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-15024</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it says some officers may not have done enough or questioned enough. It does not allege a coverup. That word indicates intent. 

The military does a thorough job without John Murtha. In fact it would be better worded as in spite of John Murtha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it says some officers may not have done enough or questioned enough. It does not allege a coverup. That word indicates intent. </p>
<p>The military does a thorough job without John Murtha. In fact it would be better worded as in spite of John Murtha.</p>
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