Comments on: Landis’ Second Sample Tests Positive http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:27:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/comment-page-1/#comment-17267 Gaius Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:19:06 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/#comment-17267 Guilt by association is a more rational approach, Roland? Is the logic: Americans have been caught doing in the past in other sports. Landis is American. Therefore Landis is doping? Is that really what you are arguing? How about false and malicious charges against an American by a French newspaper, backed by a French lab. But that is dismissed out of hand by you? Guilt by association is a more rational approach, Roland? Is the logic: Americans have been caught doing in the past in other sports. Landis is American. Therefore Landis is doping?

Is that really what you are arguing?

How about false and malicious charges against an American by a French newspaper, backed by a French lab. But that is dismissed out of hand by you?

]]> By: Roland Hesz http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/comment-page-1/#comment-17265 Roland Hesz Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:12:31 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/#comment-17265 "Given French duplicity in the Oil for Food scandal and their other double dealing in the international arena, the onus is on them. Who guarantees French chauvinism isn’t contaminating the lab’s results?" Come on now. Given the Ben Johnson scandal and other dopping cases, the onus is on Landis. Who guarantees that the American habit of using dopping is not playing this time again? Ridiculous line of argument. “Given French duplicity in the Oil for Food scandal and their other double dealing in the international arena, the onus is on them. Who guarantees French chauvinism isn’t contaminating the lab’s results?”

Come on now.

Given the Ben Johnson scandal and other dopping cases, the onus is on Landis. Who guarantees that the American habit of using dopping is not playing this time again?

Ridiculous line of argument.

]]> By: Roland Hesz http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/comment-page-1/#comment-17264 Roland Hesz Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:10:23 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/#comment-17264 "The French have Landis in their cross hairs, he’s an American and that makes him unacceptable as a Tour winner." Yep, he must be clear, we all know no american has ever used dopping. “The French have Landis in their cross hairs, he’s an American and that makes him unacceptable as a Tour winner.”

Yep, he must be clear, we all know no american has ever used dopping.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/comment-page-1/#comment-15324 Gaius Sat, 05 Aug 2006 23:09:44 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/#comment-15324 I agree. If he tests clean on the next day, something is hosed. If it shows decreasing levels, he's an idiot. I agree. If he tests clean on the next day, something is hosed. If it shows decreasing levels, he’s an idiot.

]]> By: fletch http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/comment-page-1/#comment-15323 fletch Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:58:26 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/#comment-15323 blue crab- <i>Since testosterone use for performance enhancement is generally a long term process, it is odd that just these samples showed the increase, is it not?</i> Exactly. It <i>is</i> possible that he ingested steroids for the first time after the stage where he "bonked"(the day before his positive test)... Test his urine samples from <i>each and every day</i> <b>after</b> that-- it's not like you can test at an "11-1 ratio" one day, and yet be <b>completely</b> clean the <i>very next day</i>. This could help establish a "contamination and/or sabotage" defense... blue crab-

Since testosterone use for performance enhancement is generally a long term process, it is odd that just these samples showed the increase, is it not?

Exactly.

It is possible that he ingested steroids for the first time after the stage where he “bonked”(the day before his positive test)…

Test his urine samples from each and every day after that– it’s not like you can test at an “11-1 ratio” one day, and yet be completely clean the very next day.

This could help establish a “contamination and/or sabotage” defense…

]]> By: Black Jack http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/comment-page-1/#comment-15311 Black Jack Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:52:07 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/05/landis-second-sample-tests-positive/#comment-15311 This second test was conducted at the Chatenay-Malabry lab outside Paris and confirmed their earlier findings of 26 July. The French have Landis in their cross hairs, he's an American and that makes him unacceptable as a Tour winner. They hated that Lance Armstrong kept winning the Tour year after year, and recently accused him of doping too. The French can't stand the idea of yet another Yank in the yellow jersey dominating their signature sport. I'm more inclined to see these results as an indication the lab's credibility has to be proved before it's possible to draw reasonable conclusions. I'm just not willing to assume the French are on the up and up here. Given French duplicity in the Oil for Food scandal and their other double dealing in the international arena, the onus is on them. Who guarantees French chauvinism isn't contaminating the lab's results? This second test was conducted at the Chatenay-Malabry lab outside Paris and confirmed their earlier findings of 26 July.

The French have Landis in their cross hairs, he’s an American and that makes him unacceptable as a Tour winner. They hated that Lance Armstrong kept winning the Tour year after year, and recently accused him of doping too. The French can’t stand the idea of yet another Yank in the yellow jersey dominating their signature sport.

I’m more inclined to see these results as an indication the lab’s credibility has to be proved before it’s possible to draw reasonable conclusions. I’m just not willing to assume the French are on the up and up here.

Given French duplicity in the Oil for Food scandal and their other double dealing in the international arena, the onus is on them. Who guarantees French chauvinism isn’t contaminating the lab’s results?

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