Comments on: Suspicion http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:27:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Blue Crab Boulevard » Blog Archive » Two Men Ejected From Airplane Speak Out http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/comment-page-1/#comment-17672 Blue Crab Boulevard » Blog Archive » Two Men Ejected From Airplane Speak Out Thu, 24 Aug 2006 02:32:33 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/#comment-17672 [...] That is the first and only time I have read anything about them being marched of 'at gunpoint' - I'm curious to know if that is true. Regardless, it appears that passengers keyed off their dress and behavior. I sympathize with them in one way, but not completely. If they were wearing inappropriately heavy clothing, they are legitimate targets for closer inspection. As I mentioned before, that is something that police officers are taught to look for specifically as warranting further scrutiny. [...] [...] That is the first and only time I have read anything about them being marched of 'at gunpoint' – I'm curious to know if that is true. Regardless, it appears that passengers keyed off their dress and behavior. I sympathize with them in one way, but not completely. If they were wearing inappropriately heavy clothing, they are legitimate targets for closer inspection. As I mentioned before, that is something that police officers are taught to look for specifically as warranting further scrutiny. [...]

]]> By: Blue Crab Boulevard » Blog Archive » ‘Suspicion’ Update http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/comment-page-1/#comment-17572 Blue Crab Boulevard » Blog Archive » ‘Suspicion’ Update Wed, 23 Aug 2006 02:31:41 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/#comment-17572 [...] I posted about the incident where passengers on a British charter flight refused to let the airplane take off until two men were removed. The BBC has an update to the story, and there was even more to the passenger's disquiet than just the inappropriate behavior. David Wearden, 42, from Chester, said it was reports that the pair had been overheard claiming they had 30 minutes left to live which led to concerns. [...] [...] I posted about the incident where passengers on a British charter flight refused to let the airplane take off until two men were removed. The BBC has an update to the story, and there was even more to the passenger's disquiet than just the inappropriate behavior. David Wearden, 42, from Chester, said it was reports that the pair had been overheard claiming they had 30 minutes left to live which led to concerns. [...]

]]> By: Black Jack http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/comment-page-1/#comment-17406 Black Jack Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:17:25 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/#comment-17406 Why, it's nothing more than an airborne version of your local Neighborhood Watch Program. Good citizens keeping an eye out for each other, observing and reporting suspicious activity to the authorities, and acting to protect themselves if the authorities refuse to act. It's in the best traditions of enlightened self reliance, and absoulutely the best defence against airline terrorism. Bravo to the Brits. This is a major defeat for terrorism. Why, it’s nothing more than an airborne version of your local Neighborhood Watch Program. Good citizens keeping an eye out for each other, observing and reporting suspicious activity to the authorities, and acting to protect themselves if the authorities refuse to act.

It’s in the best traditions of enlightened self reliance, and absoulutely the best defence against airline terrorism. Bravo to the Brits. This is a major defeat for terrorism.

]]> By: Achillea http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/comment-page-1/#comment-17391 Achillea Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:59:52 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/#comment-17391 <i>I can have them tossed off the plane?</i> If you can get several other passengers to willing to take the extraordinary steps of storming off the plane and/or refusing to board if it doesn't happen, apparently so. How hard can it be? I mean, neocons in suits and ties are simply <i>notorious</i> for hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings. Okay, maybe just hijacking them ... or maybe just trying to blow them up. Well, okay, maybe just getting a skinful and dissing the cabin crew. But I know we're all appalled at the way the dreaded 'Wall Street street' celebrates and praises the heroism of the Salaryist jihadis whenever one of them chucks a G&T at a stewardess. And those corner-office martyrdom videos they make are plenty scary, too. So good luck with that (and with any further attempts at moral equivalence). I can have them tossed off the plane?

If you can get several other passengers to willing to take the extraordinary steps of storming off the plane and/or refusing to board if it doesn’t happen, apparently so. How hard can it be? I mean, neocons in suits and ties are simply notorious for hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings. Okay, maybe just hijacking them … or maybe just trying to blow them up. Well, okay, maybe just getting a skinful and dissing the cabin crew. But I know we’re all appalled at the way the dreaded ‘Wall Street street’ celebrates and praises the heroism of the Salaryist jihadis whenever one of them chucks a G&T at a stewardess. And those corner-office martyrdom videos they make are plenty scary, too. So good luck with that (and with any further attempts at moral equivalence).

]]> By: blogenfreude http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/comment-page-1/#comment-17390 blogenfreude Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:13:34 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/#comment-17390 So if a couple neocons in business class are dressed in suits and whispering into their Blackberries, I can have them tossed off the plane? Awesome! So if a couple neocons in business class are dressed in suits and whispering into their Blackberries, I can have them tossed off the plane? Awesome!

]]> By: Melissa In Texas http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/comment-page-1/#comment-17388 Melissa In Texas Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:57:50 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/#comment-17388 Well said! The government and their various agencies CANNOT do it all. Whether it be in the UK, or the USA. The citizen's must actively participate. I applaud these folks! Well said! The government and their various agencies CANNOT do it all. Whether it be in the UK, or the USA.
The citizen’s must actively participate. I applaud these folks!

]]> By: The Mahablog » Minority Majority http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/comment-page-1/#comment-17386 The Mahablog » Minority Majority Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:17:50 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/#comment-17386 [...] Other righties point out that the passengers were alarmed by the two men’s behavior, not their race, which was the same thing the London police said last year about Jean Charles de Menezes. This odd behavior was that they were speaking a foreign language (presumed Arabic, but the Daily Mail doesn’t say for sure) and wearing leather jackets in summer (London police also claimed Jean Charles de Menezes was wearing an “unseasonably thick jacket,” like the one I wish I had when I was riding around London on the top deck of a sightseeing bus last August; I was freezing). And the two guys were checking their watches. Like no law-abiding citizen ever checks his watch while waiting to board a plane. [...] [...] Other righties point out that the passengers were alarmed by the two men’s behavior, not their race, which was the same thing the London police said last year about Jean Charles de Menezes. This odd behavior was that they were speaking a foreign language (presumed Arabic, but the Daily Mail doesn’t say for sure) and wearing leather jackets in summer (London police also claimed Jean Charles de Menezes was wearing an “unseasonably thick jacket,” like the one I wish I had when I was riding around London on the top deck of a sightseeing bus last August; I was freezing). And the two guys were checking their watches. Like no law-abiding citizen ever checks his watch while waiting to board a plane. [...]

]]> By: The Glittering Eye » Blog Archive » Expect to see more of this http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/comment-page-1/#comment-17385 The Glittering Eye » Blog Archive » Expect to see more of this Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:32:54 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/#comment-17385 [...] The sole bit of real insight was from Gaius of Blue Crab Boulevard who notes that the passengers who complained weren’t just complaining about the skin color (or language) of those they were complaining about: The men may or may not have been unfortunate, but the passengers appear to have keyed off their behavior.  They were dressed in what sounds like a completely inappropriate manner - and that is something police officers are trained to look for specifically. (A long overcoat on a hot day is out of place - and a good place to hide a shotgun, for example). So, if there is fault to be found here, who should it be pointed at? The passengers who were worried or the men who were acting in a manner sure to raise suspicions? [...] [...] The sole bit of real insight was from Gaius of Blue Crab Boulevard who notes that the passengers who complained weren’t just complaining about the skin color (or language) of those they were complaining about: The men may or may not have been unfortunate, but the passengers appear to have keyed off their behavior.  They were dressed in what sounds like a completely inappropriate manner – and that is something police officers are trained to look for specifically. (A long overcoat on a hot day is out of place – and a good place to hide a shotgun, for example). So, if there is fault to be found here, who should it be pointed at? The passengers who were worried or the men who were acting in a manner sure to raise suspicions? [...]

]]> By: Leary http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/comment-page-1/#comment-17384 Leary Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:13:01 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/#comment-17384 O'Leary. Apparently they are; Irish name? O’Leary. Apparently they are; Irish name?

]]> By: GINA COBB http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/comment-page-1/#comment-17379 GINA COBB Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:31:30 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/#comment-17379 <strong>Jet Passenger "Mutiny" a "Victory for Terrorists?" -- No, A Victory for Common Sense...</strong> The U.K. Daily Mail reports that passengers on a flight from Malaga, Spain to Manchester, U.K. refused to take off until two scruffy-looking Asian men wearing inappropriately heavy coats, and who were speaking what the passengers assumed to be Arabic, ... Jet Passenger “Mutiny” a “Victory for Terrorists?” — No, A Victory for Common Sense…

The U.K. Daily Mail reports that passengers on a flight from Malaga, Spain to Manchester, U.K. refused to take off until two scruffy-looking Asian men wearing inappropriately heavy coats, and who were speaking what the passengers assumed to be Arabic, …

]]> By: David Paulin http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/comment-page-1/#comment-17369 David Paulin Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:48:55 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/19/suspicion/#comment-17369 The passenger revolt was understandable, but not merely because of the inappropriate clothing and “profile” of the two men. As always, context is everything. In Britain, opinion polls have consistently shown that many Muslim residents have been lukewarm about unequivocally condemning terrorist attacks and identifying wholeheartedly with the British state and its values. To suggest the incident is contrary to British values and thus a victory for terrorists ignores reality; and that is that there is now an obvious clash between London and “Londonistan.” That clash has as much to do with the fear of Muslim terrorism as with the refusal of many residents of Londonistan to divorce themselves from the values, culture, and conspiracy theories that motivate terrorists. The passenger revolt was understandable, but not merely because of the inappropriate clothing and “profile” of the two men. As always, context is everything. In Britain, opinion polls have consistently shown that many Muslim residents have been lukewarm about unequivocally condemning terrorist attacks and identifying wholeheartedly with the British state and its values.

To suggest the incident is contrary to British values and thus a victory for terrorists ignores reality; and that is that there is now an obvious clash between London and “Londonistan.” That clash has as much to do with the fear of Muslim terrorism as with the refusal of many residents of Londonistan to divorce themselves from the values, culture, and conspiracy theories that motivate terrorists.

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