Comments on: Twelve People Arrested In Flight Turnaround http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:00:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Blue Crab Boulevard » Blog Archive » Dutch Arrests Update http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/comment-page-1/#comment-17707 Blue Crab Boulevard » Blog Archive » Dutch Arrests Update Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:05:46 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/#comment-17707 [...] Dutch authorities are still holding the 12 people arrested and taken off a Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Mumbai. They have three days under Dutch law until they must either charge or release the people. There is still no word on exactly what the people did, but it sounds like a number of other passengers felt very, very certain something was badly wrong. The Bombay, India-bound Northwest Airlines flight turned around over German air space Wednesday and returned to Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport after a group of passengers aroused suspicion by using their mobile phones following take-off, officials said. [...] [...] Dutch authorities are still holding the 12 people arrested and taken off a Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Mumbai. They have three days under Dutch law until they must either charge or release the people. There is still no word on exactly what the people did, but it sounds like a number of other passengers felt very, very certain something was badly wrong. The Bombay, India-bound Northwest Airlines flight turned around over German air space Wednesday and returned to Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport after a group of passengers aroused suspicion by using their mobile phones following take-off, officials said. [...]

]]> By: Santay http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/comment-page-1/#comment-17698 Santay Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:34:04 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/#comment-17698 Actually dumping fuel is standard procedure when a plane has to return to its original airport. They're designed to take off with a full load of fuel but have to be under certain weights when landing. Actually dumping fuel is standard procedure when a plane has to return to its original airport. They’re designed to take off with a full load of fuel but have to be under certain weights when landing.

]]> By: Roland Hesz http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/comment-page-1/#comment-17684 Roland Hesz Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:02:57 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/#comment-17684 I just hope, that if they turn out falsely accused - like the pregnant woman with the non-existent liquid explosive - you will post that too - unlike in the case of the pregnant woman with the non-existent liquid explosive. I just hope, that if they turn out falsely accused – like the pregnant woman with the non-existent liquid explosive – you will post that too – unlike in the case of the pregnant woman with the non-existent liquid explosive.

]]> By: Ted http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/comment-page-1/#comment-17683 Ted Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:52:42 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/#comment-17683 I was on a transatlantic flight once that had to turn back because of an ill passenger -- the airline feared impoundment of the plane in Italy. In order to land back in the U.S. the pilot dropped a lot of jet fuel -- the planes are too heavy to land safely if they are carrying too much fuel. Or so I was told. I was on a transatlantic flight once that had to turn back because of an ill passenger — the airline feared impoundment of the plane in Italy. In order to land back in the U.S. the pilot dropped a lot of jet fuel — the planes are too heavy to land safely if they are carrying too much fuel. Or so I was told.

]]> By: dpaulin http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/comment-page-1/#comment-17681 dpaulin Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:03:52 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/#comment-17681 Actually, I don't think it's laziness as much as economics and profits. To get back on topic: I'll just bet that a lot of lefty Europeans will go nuts over the interestng revelation that U.S. Air Marshalls (presumably armed) were on board. Also, regarding the fuel dumping: That probably was standard operating procedure; not a big deal. After all, the pilot returned to Amsterdam not long after take off. Therefore, the jet would have been above its certified landing weight. To land safetly so soon after take-off, the pilot would have needed to to dump fuel to lighten the load and get within a safe landing weight. The fuel he dumped would normally have been burned off during the course of a normal flight. Actually, I don’t think it’s laziness as much as economics and profits. To get back on topic: I’ll just bet that a lot of lefty Europeans will go nuts over the interestng revelation that U.S. Air Marshalls (presumably armed) were on board.

Also, regarding the fuel dumping: That probably was standard operating procedure; not a big deal. After all, the pilot returned to Amsterdam not long after take off. Therefore, the jet would have been above its certified landing weight. To land safetly so soon after take-off, the pilot would have needed to to dump fuel to lighten the load and get within a safe landing weight. The fuel he dumped would normally have been burned off during the course of a normal flight.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/comment-page-1/#comment-17665 Gaius Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:14:34 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/#comment-17665 Actually, that is quite likely exactly what happened. The media is actually very lazy sometimes. Ok, most of the time. Actually, that is quite likely exactly what happened. The media is actually very lazy sometimes. Ok, most of the time.

]]> By: dpaulin http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/comment-page-1/#comment-17664 dpaulin Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:07:43 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/#comment-17664 At the risk of being slightly off topic, let me make an observation about the CNN.com story that has less to do with terrorism than with how it was put together. At the end of the story, notice the following: "Journalist Marijn Tebbens and CNN's Jeanne Meserve contributed to this report. "Copyright 2006 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report." What does this all mean? Basically, that most of the information in this story almost certainly comes from the Associated Press. However, the story has been rewritten to make it look like a "CNN.com" story. The trick is that a writer in Atlanta has rewritten the AP story and worked in a bit of information from a local freelancer and a bit of input from somebody who works for CNN. Together, each of these contributions would not make a complete story; they would amount to perhaps only a few paragraphs or sentences, which might not even be that important. In fact, those added paragraphs or sentences may have just repeated or confirmed something already in the AP story that came out first. Bottom line: I always laugh at how these CNN.com stories are made to look like more than they really are; part of the magic of television culture in which CNN.com exists; and part of the magic of the legal contract that CNN has with the AP. At the risk of being slightly off topic, let me make an observation about the CNN.com story that has less to do with terrorism than with how it was put together. At the end of the story, notice the following:

“Journalist Marijn Tebbens and CNN’s Jeanne Meserve contributed to this report.

“Copyright 2006 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report.”

What does this all mean? Basically, that most of the information in this story almost certainly comes from the Associated Press. However, the story has been rewritten to make it look like a “CNN.com” story.

The trick is that a writer in Atlanta has rewritten the AP story and worked in a bit of information from a local freelancer and a bit of input from somebody who works for CNN. Together, each of these contributions would not make a complete story; they would amount to perhaps only a few paragraphs or sentences, which might not even be that important. In fact, those added paragraphs or sentences may have just repeated or confirmed something already in the AP story that came out first.

Bottom line: I always laugh at how these CNN.com stories are made to look like more than they really are; part of the magic of television culture in which CNN.com exists; and part of the magic of the legal contract that CNN has with the AP.

]]> By: The Anchoress » 12 Arrested in Amsterdam flight… http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/comment-page-1/#comment-17636 The Anchoress » 12 Arrested in Amsterdam flight… Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:09:53 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/08/23/twelve-people-arrested-in-flight-turnaround/#comment-17636 [...] This is beginning to look like a serious story. Blue Crab Boulevard is keeping on top of it. [...] [...] This is beginning to look like a serious story. Blue Crab Boulevard is keeping on top of it. [...]

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