My first order of business today is to thank Owen Johnson for the exceptional essay he put together describing our Strategy, our goals, and offering reasons for optimism in this long war against our enemies. I do not think I…

Misrepresenting what the article says? Oh really? Another wonderful statement which has no basis in reality whatsoever.

Here’s a little recap, since you obviously have difficulty keeping track.

From the article which you link to above…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060903/lf_afp/usattacks5years_060903161707

…is the following paragraph:

CAIR has seen a steady increase in the number of complaints of harassment, violence and discriminatory treatment over the past five years. In 2004, complaints rose 49 percent to 1,522, of which 141 were reports of actual and potentially violent hate crimes.

“A steady increase…” A point which I’ve made already, which you, for some odd reason, have yet to actually address. I wonder why….

And, what do YOU have to offer on this point?

A straw man argument:

But for heaven’s sake, 1,500 or so reports in a nation with a population of over 300 million is statistically so insignificant as to be meaningless. Especially when so very few actually involve the threat of violence. (I doubt the kind of numbers CAIR publishes since its threshold appears to be very low. The FBI reports less than 10% of CAIR’s figure.)

Again, this time for comprehension: There is a basic statistical difference between a cited increase and a comparison of two samples as you offer in your argument. That’s stats 101, Gaius.

What you are attempting to do, and you perpetuate the error by quoting from Tom Scott, is an inappropriate statistical comparison of a net increase in hate crimes from a smaller racial sample and compare it to a larger overall population sample and thus deduct that the smaller sample is insignificant. It’s a fallacy statistically, and logically, because you can’t compare a smaller specific sample with a larger population sample in order to prove that a given statistical INCREASE is insignificant, to use your term.
It’s simply wrong. It’s 2+2=6 you have there mate.

If actuarials applied your statistical logic we’d all be paying 10K a month in insurance premiums. On our cars. Fortunately, statistics is bound by mathematical rules.

Obviously, such rules don’t apply to you.

Further, you fail to address my point that the Muslim community (Detroit for example) has a very different reaction to hate crime these days. They do not see the authorities as being there to help them. They are very afraid.

And, no surprise here, you actually state the following which is statisically incorrect as well:

But for heaven’s sake, 1,500 or so reports in a nation with a population of over 300 million is statistically so insignificant as to be meaningless.

Another statistical “comparison” that is incorrect. The “it’s so few people affected, who cares!” defense. Well, umm, people say this all the time about the Jews too.

You see, the number you need to be looking at is the numbers of Muslims in the country. A nearly 40% INCREASE in reports of hate crimes against the Muslim population, it’s rather significant, especially considering the social restrictions of reporting crimes in the Muslim community -shame, suspicion of racism and the general attitude of people such as yourself- it’s a wonder that hate crime is reported at all.

But, of course, anyone who actually thinks that comparing a smaller cultural sample (Muslims) to the larger overall total population is a valid statistical analysis probably isn’t going to get this at all.

There are an estimated 5 million Muslims in the USA. According to the 2000 Census, there are about 5.5 million Jews in the USA.

And, the ADL takes every single one of them very very seriously.

So, why are you surprised when CAIR does the same?

If you have a cogent argument to offer in that regard, I would be willing to hear it.

But, if all you are going to offer is more standing by your incorrect statistical analysis with variations on “your a loony moonbat who’s projecting and your nuts and ….’

Then what else can one say?

It’s very predictable, and very boring and very very very over.

The conservative world’s over reliance upon the “they’ll all crazy” defense has become so ridiculous it’s pathetic.

You are, of course, and as usual, misrepresenting what the article says.

And, “good day” is how I alway end my conversations. Such as they are…

Was not meant nor written in a “huff”.

But, intersting that you think so.

Dumping scarecrows?

Perhaps you should know a little of what you speak about before you go around stating such “facts”.

And, the facts here are rather simple: a straw man argument was constructed in order to make a point. Comparing statistics in the manner done is an incorrect logical argument, statistically and it is also incorrect according to simple common sense.

A point you shall continue to ignore no doubt.

The point made in the article clearly referred to the statistical and notable INCREASE (also mentioned in the FBI report cited) of hate crimes directed towards Muslims.

Now, it might make you feel high and mighty, or simply give you the emotional or moral wiggle room you need to make a statistically unsound comparison via straw man, but fortunately, there are people in the world who will call you on your “scarecrows”.

And, it should be noted that your tactic, Gaius, is also a logical fallacy.

Do you know which one?

I seriously doubt it.

It’s incredible. The true victims, according to CAIR, of 9/11 are… Muslims. Of course this victim mentality suits CAIR and alike, perfectly fine, but they’re overdoing it just a notch lately, wouldn’t you agree?…

They are noting the large increase of incidents of anti-Muslim hate crimes. Comparing statistics of reported incidents of anti-Muslim hate crime to statistics of reported incidents of anti-Jewish hate crime is a straw man argument. And, a bad one at that.

Anyway, y’all are behind on the propganda push on this issue. Front Page and NewsMax was on this boat back in May. But, it’s nice to see that the same straw man that they constructed in May is being regurgitated by the faithful following so exactly.

And, for what it’s worth: The Jewish community is extremely well organized in regard to dealing with such issues. The Muslim community is not.

I work in Jewish outreach, and do a great deal of work within the Muslim community as well. The difference in attitude is pretty extraordinary.

When a hate crime occurs in the Jewish community, the reaction is one of “go to the police”, immediately. Or go to the Jewish community, where it will be dealt with in some regard.

In the Muslim community, the reaction is entirely different. It is: “Don’t go to the police, you’ll just cause trouble.”

It’s the difference between a truly empowered community and an empowered community.

I find it interesting that y’all are so scared of an empowered group of American citizens, Muslims, in the USA.

It reminds me of the anti-Jewish movement in many ways.

Alabama Liberation Fronts comments are particularly racist. Yes, let’s go after an entire racial group because a few of that race have done something bad.

I’ve seen this movie before. Good day.

Oh, it’s just horrible, isn’t it, Mr. Walid? All that suspicion, harassment, et cetera — and why? Because 19 Muslims killed nearly 3,000 Americans on 9/11. Because Muslims are continually committing or plotting further acts of terrorism — and shout…

Of the 1,480 reported offenses within single-bias incidents that were motivated by the offender’s religious bias, 67.8 percent were anti-Jewish, 13.0 percent were anti-Islamic, 3.9 percent were anti-Catholic, 2.9 percent were anti-Protestant, and 0.5 percent were anti-Atheism or Agnosticism. Bias against other (unspecified) religions accounted for 9.5 percent of the hate crime offenses motivated by religious bias, and bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group) accounted for 2.5 percent.