Ok, Quilly. When I read the link you kindly offered me, I noticed that you referred to John Kerry as ‘John F’n Kerry’ and then you referred to President Carter by saying, “Jimmy Carter, freak that he is…’ Did your demeaning language prove your point?

The simple answer is that I wasn’t doing that to prove a point, as Bob was. Bob called the Swift Boat Veterans “Chickens” to demean their service. Which is demonstrably false.

You took my comments out of context as well.

In 2005, when the post you reference was written, Sen. Kerry took to dropping the “f-bomb” with regularity. Hence the moniker John F’n Kerry. True and accurate. Moreover, I wasn’t using the mocking of Kerry to prove my point. In that post I was defending Sen. Kerry.

When I said “Jimmy Carter, freak that he is…” I wasn’t commenting on Carter. Rather I was saying that even as whacked as Carter is he wouldn’t have done something so egregiously wrong as cover a Dishonorable Discharge for Kerry. Again not proving a point on Carter by calling him names.

Yet Bob tries to impugn the Swift Boat vets by calling them “chicken”. The two cases are not morally equivalent. No matter how you twist things to try and make them so.

And if you don’t get the reference of the German all I can say is that Gaius doesn’t have the bandwidth, and I don’t have the time, to educate you.

The genius smear of McCain in the 2000 primary was legendary. Throwing the Webb campaign this kind of bone seriously diminishes all the hard work that Karl Rove put into destroying McCain’s presidential hopes. The fact that no one can prove it’s Rove only adds to the myth and the legend. Rove, the boy genius, should be properly praised and awarded. If he hadn’t acted, we might have had 6 years of bi-partisanship and cooperation as McCain reached across the aisle to address issues. Thank god that never happened.

Ok, Quilly. When I read the link you kindly offered me, I noticed that you referred to John Kerry as ‘John F’n Kerry’ and then you referred to President Carter by saying, “Jimmy Carter, freak that he is…’ Did your demeaning language prove your point? Is your own use of demeaning language the basis of your understanding of ‘pschologische projektion’? Maybe, since you are so certain of being always on the side of truth, you could tell me why you yourself use demeaning language.

My whole point here was to see if I could get some agreement with Republican supporters, now that they see the same thing happening to one of their own candidates, that all of these sort of campaigns–whether it be the Clinton impeachment, the Swift Boat fabrications against Kerry or these ages-old charges against Allen–are to be regretted. What I find instead is that you still want to have it both ways. You applaud the same tactics when your side does it that you then turn around and complain about when the other side does it. It’s hypocrisy plain and simple. And you don’t even have the fairness or the decency to acknowledge it, even though I bet on some level you know it’s true.

I’m not trying to have it both ways Bob, and I’m not going to get down in the hole you’re in. I’m saying the Swift Boat Vets told the truth about John Kerry and he responded with double talk, lies, and smears. Exactly the same as you.

Bob, you have yet to refute a single charge the Swifties made, although you have repeatedly claimed without a shred of evidence they smeared Kerry, when in fact the exact opposite is actually the case. Read your own comments above, they tell the tale on you.

Your silly accusations have gotten boring, repetitious, and tiresome. There’s just no sense in kicking a dead horse. I’m not buying your claptrap, and you haven’t offered anything at all to change my mind.

I’m sorry, Quilly and Black Jack, but there’s one simple word to describe your selective ire: hypocrisy.

Yes, Bob, and it’s yours. It isn’t schadenfreude when the object who is suffering is doing so because of lies. There isn’t much case against Allen. But. Like it or not many of the Swift Boaters claims have proven to be true.

Moreover, your phrase “Swift Boat Chickens for Truth” shows that not only are you petty, but that you simply haven’t a clue as to what servicemembers do. Like much of your ilk you childishly think that demeaning language proves your point…exactly what you accuse Allen of. There’s a German phrase for that as well: Psychologische Projektion

There’s smoke, but it ain’t coming from Allen.

As I said earlier today, where there’s smoke there’s fire and another stong plume has just gone up.

Larry Sabato, not a left partisan, just came on Hardball and told Matthews that Allen is lying when he says he never used th N word and basically admitted that he’s heard Allen use it himself.

It may be all over but the counting.

http://justbarkingmad.com/?p=39

You see, I try to pick the side of truth. It makes life easier. Without a bit more facts than a The Nation article that uses nameless sources and a Salon article which uses only one I’m not seeing the facts…yet. I would say unless The Nation and Salon has the sort of credible sources the Swifties had it’s a smear job.

That’s teh difference between legitimate questioning and smear tactics. The number and reliability of sources.

BTW: When are they going to Frog March Rove? Wasn’t the left abuzz with nameless sources claiming “any day now”? Like I said…as per usual…….

The truth is Kerry’s yet to answer the Swifties charges with facts. Although, Kerry, the NY Times, most of MSM, and spinners, like you Bob, have smeared the Swift Boat Vets and defended Kerry, yet all the while its been Kerry who’s been withholding the pertinent records which would reveal who’s telling the truth and who’s not.

Kerry hems and haws, releases some of his records but not the ones in question, he lies, he dissembles, he gets others to smear his opponents, but the one thing he doesn’t do is come clean.

Has he ever explained why the dates are off on his discharge? Why not, that should be a simple matter to clear up, unless he’s got something to hide?

No, Bob, it was John Kerry who smeared a generation of Vietnam Vets in his Senate testimony, and it was John Kerry who lied about throwing his decorations over the White House wall, and it was John Kerry who lied about being present when the assassination of a US president was discussed, and it was John Kerry who lied about where he got his “magic hat”, and it was John Kerry who couldn’t remember his wife owned the SUV he was driving, and it was John Kerry who blamed the Secret Service when he fell off his own snowboard.

No, Bob, the smear campaign has John Kerry’s fingerprints all over it, for Kerry the smears are a way of life, it’s how he operates, and everyone who’s paying attention knows it. Neither John Kerry, nor his wife’s money, nor partisan sycophants, nor bullies like you are capable of putting Humpty Dumpty back together again.