Comments on: House Passes (Insert Misnomer Here) Bill http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:00:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Jon http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-22862 Jon Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:21:31 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/#comment-22862 Could you explain the difference between wiretapping and signal intel, and how the bill does not cover wiretapping in its definition? http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:3:./temp/~c109RotI4B:e501: As far as I can tell, signal intelligence is a broad term that includes wiretapping (both the traditional attach-a-phone-to-a-wire kind, and the modern, electronic kind) and a number of other things like intercepting radio signals. If this is the case, then you're still not telling us how this bill isn't about allowing warrantless wiretapping. As to your second point, the bill itself says it directly addresses surveillance "under circumstances in which that person has a reasonable expectation of privacy and a warrant would be required for law enforcement purposes". Could you explain the difference between wiretapping and signal intel, and how the bill does not cover wiretapping in its definition?
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:3:./temp/~c109RotI4B:e501:

As far as I can tell, signal intelligence is a broad term that includes wiretapping (both the traditional attach-a-phone-to-a-wire kind, and the modern, electronic kind) and a number of other things like intercepting radio signals.

If this is the case, then you’re still not telling us how this bill isn’t about allowing warrantless wiretapping.

As to your second point, the bill itself says it directly addresses surveillance “under circumstances in which that person has a reasonable expectation of privacy and a warrant would be required for law enforcement purposes”.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-22858 Gaius Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:07:30 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/#comment-22858 No "wiretapping" is involved first - it is signal intel, something actually different. The president has never needed a warrant for overseas signal traffic. What is different here is the extension to a party inside the US. This is where it starts getting very legalistic and the lawyers can argue that part. The question is when is it unreasonable to expect privacy? I do not think there is any expectation of privacy if you are talking to terrorists. No “wiretapping” is involved first – it is signal intel, something actually different. The president has never needed a warrant for overseas signal traffic. What is different here is the extension to a party inside the US. This is where it starts getting very legalistic and the lawyers can argue that part. The question is when is it unreasonable to expect privacy?

I do not think there is any expectation of privacy if you are talking to terrorists.

]]> By: Jon http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-22857 Jon Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:58:31 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/#comment-22857 Just pretend I didn't misspell warrant three times in the above post. Just pretend I didn’t misspell warrant three times in the above post.

]]> By: Jon http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-22856 Jon Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:57:15 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/#comment-22856 This post is confusing. "Warrentless Wiretapping" means you can do wiretapping without a warrent. Your description of the bill indicates that it allows wiretapping without obtaining a warrent. So how is it a misnomer? This post is confusing. “Warrentless Wiretapping” means you can do wiretapping without a warrent. Your description of the bill indicates that it allows wiretapping without obtaining a warrent. So how is it a misnomer?

]]> By: bRight & Early » First Cup 09.29.06 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-22795 bRight & Early » First Cup 09.29.06 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:58:59 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/#comment-22795 [...] Blue Crab Boulevard House Passes (Insert Misnomer Here) Bill — "The House of Representatives has passed what the media continues to call a "warrantless wiretap" bill. It is not, of course. What the House passed is a bill allowing specific telephone calls to be listened to under specific circumstances." [...] [...] Blue Crab Boulevard House Passes (Insert Misnomer Here) Bill — “The House of Representatives has passed what the media continues to call a “warrantless wiretap” bill. It is not, of course. What the House passed is a bill allowing specific telephone calls to be listened to under specific circumstances.” [...]

]]> By: Santay http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-22777 Santay Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:21:54 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/28/house-passes-insert-misnomer-here-bill/#comment-22777 What does renew his certification every 90 days mean? Are they going to have the same fight every three months? What does renew his certification every 90 days mean? Are they going to have the same fight every three months?

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