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		<title>By: BubbaB</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points, everyone.  Ric, thanks for the lesson - I am sure it will come in handy in my next debate with pro-choice types...  

Anchoress, though it sounds a little bit too &quot;mystical&quot; to me, I think you might be on to something.  What if embryonic stem cells are intended to be as close to perfection as possible?  Before Death entered creation, through Adam and Eve, if we assume that not even the cells of our bodies died, they must have had amazing regeneration properties...  Makes you think...

Donna, color me &quot;conspiracy-theorist blue&quot;, but I think there are certain organizations that actually try to use more embryonic stem cells than they need to, in order to create a &quot;demand&quot; for them.  And, of course, for pro-lifers like me, I can see where they are going with this...  I seem to recall an article a year-or-two ago, where the claim was made that certain research scientists were using human embryonic stem cells in situations that made more scientific sense to use other animal cells.  The author did not push the political issues, but it certainly left me with a distinct impression...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points, everyone.  Ric, thanks for the lesson &#8211; I am sure it will come in handy in my next debate with pro-choice types&#8230;  </p>
<p>Anchoress, though it sounds a little bit too &#8220;mystical&#8221; to me, I think you might be on to something.  What if embryonic stem cells are intended to be as close to perfection as possible?  Before Death entered creation, through Adam and Eve, if we assume that not even the cells of our bodies died, they must have had amazing regeneration properties&#8230;  Makes you think&#8230;</p>
<p>Donna, color me &#8220;conspiracy-theorist blue&#8221;, but I think there are certain organizations that actually try to use more embryonic stem cells than they need to, in order to create a &#8220;demand&#8221; for them.  And, of course, for pro-lifers like me, I can see where they are going with this&#8230;  I seem to recall an article a year-or-two ago, where the claim was made that certain research scientists were using human embryonic stem cells in situations that made more scientific sense to use other animal cells.  The author did not push the political issues, but it certainly left me with a distinct impression&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Anchoress &#187; Michael J Fox fighting for bad science</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Anchoress &#187; Michael J Fox fighting for bad science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with anchoress&#039; last paragraph.    Years ago, when listening to some scientists talk about their work studying human body bio-electro-magnetic fields, one of the scientists said, &quot;we are wondering if perhaps cancer is  a misguided attempt at regeneration of body parts&quot;, misguided that is, because the new growth is not obeying the healthy parameters and laws for coordination and sharing nutrients with the rest of the body.

Gaius, I don&#039;t think it was odd that they killed the animals if they needed to be able to look at the make-up of the cells as close as possible to the moment of their transisting themselves in a bizarre way.    I guess I would ask how many test animals were there and whether they needed to see if the same or different transformation/mutation was present in each animal that exhibited the strange growth.   Also, I would guess that this experiment will be repeated as often as possible, to answer even more questiong,  subject to stem cell line availability.  My question is, why did they not use rat embryonic stems cells in the rat experiments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with anchoress&#8217; last paragraph.    Years ago, when listening to some scientists talk about their work studying human body bio-electro-magnetic fields, one of the scientists said, &#8220;we are wondering if perhaps cancer is  a misguided attempt at regeneration of body parts&#8221;, misguided that is, because the new growth is not obeying the healthy parameters and laws for coordination and sharing nutrients with the rest of the body.</p>
<p>Gaius, I don&#8217;t think it was odd that they killed the animals if they needed to be able to look at the make-up of the cells as close as possible to the moment of their transisting themselves in a bizarre way.    I guess I would ask how many test animals were there and whether they needed to see if the same or different transformation/mutation was present in each animal that exhibited the strange growth.   Also, I would guess that this experiment will be repeated as often as possible, to answer even more questiong,  subject to stem cell line availability.  My question is, why did they not use rat embryonic stems cells in the rat experiments?</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Locke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 04:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m not at all sure about is why this is a surprise.

The whole point of stem cells is that they&#039;re plenipotent -- they can turn into many other kinds of cells as they develop. And the whole reason embryonic stem cells are the ones seized upon by the imaginations of the ignorant is that they&#039;re the most general form. Other types of stem cells have already developed enough to close off some possibilities for later growth.

In any complex mechanism, there&#039;s only one way for it to work right and many many ways for it to go wrong. Cells are about as complex a mechanism as there is. Cancer is cells with bad regulatory systems, i.e. something went wrong. The mystery is not that cells become cancerous. The mystery is that sometimes they &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt;.

Regards,
Ric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m not at all sure about is why this is a surprise.</p>
<p>The whole point of stem cells is that they&#8217;re plenipotent &#8212; they can turn into many other kinds of cells as they develop. And the whole reason embryonic stem cells are the ones seized upon by the imaginations of the ignorant is that they&#8217;re the most general form. Other types of stem cells have already developed enough to close off some possibilities for later growth.</p>
<p>In any complex mechanism, there&#8217;s only one way for it to work right and many many ways for it to go wrong. Cells are about as complex a mechanism as there is. Cancer is cells with bad regulatory systems, i.e. something went wrong. The mystery is not that cells become cancerous. The mystery is that sometimes they <i>don&#8217;t</i>.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Ric</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is weird here is that the researchers destroyed the animals before they could be certain. Or they were certain. That sounds conspiracy theory-like, but there is really something odd about the way they did this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is weird here is that the researchers destroyed the animals before they could be certain. Or they were certain. That sounds conspiracy theory-like, but there is really something odd about the way they did this.</p>
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		<title>By: Anchoress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anchoress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought they had stopped these experiments some time ago - a few years ago there were reports about embryonic stem cells being implanted into the brains of Parkinson&#039;s patients with nightmarish results, to the point where the experiments were (as I understood it) to be cancelled.  I guess they thought they could try again.

I have a theory about these embryonic stem cells...I think they&#039;re humanity in its purest form - very close to its divine origins...like uncut heroin, they&#039;re just too powerful and too unpredictable for our clumsy uses.  But what do I know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought they had stopped these experiments some time ago &#8211; a few years ago there were reports about embryonic stem cells being implanted into the brains of Parkinson&#8217;s patients with nightmarish results, to the point where the experiments were (as I understood it) to be cancelled.  I guess they thought they could try again.</p>
<p>I have a theory about these embryonic stem cells&#8230;I think they&#8217;re humanity in its purest form &#8211; very close to its divine origins&#8230;like uncut heroin, they&#8217;re just too powerful and too unpredictable for our clumsy uses.  But what do I know?</p>
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