Comments on: The November Surprise http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:27:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Robert Poss http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-33575 Robert Poss Sun, 05 Nov 2006 03:11:27 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-33575 As we’ve known since the early nineties, Iraq got close to building a nuclear weapon before the 1991 Gulf War. The shortest estimates are that Iraq would have needed perhaps another year (without the sanctions imposed in August, 1990 after the invasion of Kuwait). After the Gulf War, however, the Iraqi nuclear program was destroyed by the IAEA and never reconstituted. During this time the IAEA required Iraq to explain in detail exactly what their pre-91 nuclear program achieved. Copies of these documents were given to the U.N. on repeated occasions, including in fall, 2002. As we’ve known since the early nineties, Iraq got close to building a nuclear weapon before the 1991 Gulf War. The shortest estimates are that Iraq would have needed perhaps another year (without the sanctions imposed in August, 1990 after the invasion of Kuwait).

After the Gulf War, however, the Iraqi nuclear program was destroyed by the IAEA and never reconstituted. During this time the IAEA required Iraq to explain in detail exactly what their pre-91 nuclear program achieved. Copies of these documents were given to the U.N. on repeated occasions, including in fall, 2002.

]]> By: Saddam Closer To Bomb Than Anyone Thought « SSBG http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-33320 Saddam Closer To Bomb Than Anyone Thought « SSBG Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:29:59 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-33320 [...] Blue Crab Boulevard Let me put this another way: You cannot simultaneously hold the position that Saddam did not have WMD programs and that he had advanced knowledge of nuclear weapons that would be of use to Iran. You cannot simultaneously believe Iran has a peaceful nuclear program and a need for advanced knowledge of nuclear weapons. [...] [...] Blue Crab Boulevard Let me put this another way: You cannot simultaneously hold the position that Saddam did not have WMD programs and that he had advanced knowledge of nuclear weapons that would be of use to Iran. You cannot simultaneously believe Iran has a peaceful nuclear program and a need for advanced knowledge of nuclear weapons. [...]

]]> By: Blue Star Chronicles http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-33159 Blue Star Chronicles Sat, 04 Nov 2006 01:36:54 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-33159 <strong>New York Times: Saddam Was Going Nuclear...</strong> The New York Times is breaking the news that sensitive documents captured when Saddam Hussein was toppled. The documents outline in detail plans for building nuclear weapons. They also reveal Saddam’s connections with Iran and various terrorist o... New York Times: Saddam Was Going Nuclear…

The New York Times is breaking the news that sensitive documents captured when Saddam Hussein was toppled. The documents outline in detail plans for building nuclear weapons. They also reveal Saddam’s connections with Iran and various terrorist o…

]]> By: Scotchtape123 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-32987 Scotchtape123 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 19:59:48 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-32987 <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en" xml:lang="en"> <head> <title>Untitled document</title> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /> </head> <body> One of the things that I've been reading is that this validates the invasion of Iraq because Saddam could have sold the plans to build a nuke to terrorists and other countries. What I'm thinking the democrats will say is that the US fought a war to prevent this but in trying to prove that he had plans on how to build a nuke in order to justify the war, the Republicans ended up giving the plans to the everyone, thus themselves causing the very thing they were trying to prevent. I just don't see how proof that Saddam had an advanced nuke program and plans to build a nuke can compete against the point that Republicans are responsible for the details of that program and plan entering the public domain. Or was this information actually already available on the internet and/or not as detailed/all-encompassing as the Times would have us believe? If that's the case, this is just another lame attack piece. If not though, I'm worried the democrats might be able to take control of the House and Senate. </body> </html> < ?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> < !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> One of the things that I've been reading is that this validates the invasion of Iraq because Saddam could have sold the plans to build a nuke to terrorists and other countries. What I'm thinking the democrats will say is that the US fought a war to prevent this but in trying to prove that he had plans on how to build a nuke in order to justify the war, the Republicans ended up giving the plans to the everyone, thus themselves causing the very thing they were trying to prevent. I just don't see how proof that Saddam had an advanced nuke program and plans to build a nuke can compete against the point that Republicans are responsible for the details of that program and plan entering the public domain. Or was this information actually already available on the internet and/or not as detailed/all-encompassing as the Times would have us believe? If that's the case, this is just another lame attack piece. If not though, I'm worried the democrats might be able to take control of the House and Senate.

]]> By: The Right Nation http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-33088 The Right Nation Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:42:35 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-33088 <strong>Mid-Term (Open) Must-Read List /2...</strong> Dick Morris, Jay Bryant, Michael Barone, Byron York, Rush Limbaugh, Neal Boortz, Ronald R. Griffin, Mark Mellman, Charlie Cook, Jonah Goldberg, Stuart Rothenberg, Mike Allen, Hugh Hewitt, Larry J. Sabato, David Wasserman, Peggy Noonan, Lawrence Kudlo..... Mid-Term (Open) Must-Read List /2…

Dick Morris, Jay Bryant, Michael Barone, Byron York, Rush Limbaugh, Neal Boortz, Ronald R. Griffin, Mark Mellman, Charlie Cook, Jonah Goldberg, Stuart Rothenberg, Mike Allen, Hugh Hewitt, Larry J. Sabato, David Wasserman, Peggy Noonan, Lawrence Kudlo…..

]]> By: John McDermott http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-33087 John McDermott Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:39:06 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-33087 "Hoisted on own petard," is a phrase that vaults it way into the mind. This petty, non-sensical, alleged newspaper with its witless writers, editors, columnists and owner doesn't have a clue. It's difficult to discern exactly what devilish machinations are hashing-up their collective minds as they try to low-bridge this country and its administration. We know what side they're on, though it's hard to understand why. What is perfectly clear, is they certainly don't know how. “Hoisted on own petard,” is a phrase that vaults it way into the mind. This petty, non-sensical, alleged newspaper with its witless writers, editors, columnists and owner doesn’t have a clue. It’s difficult to discern exactly what devilish machinations are hashing-up their collective minds as they try to low-bridge this country and its administration. We know what side they’re on, though it’s hard to understand why. What is perfectly clear, is they certainly don’t know how.

]]> By: Puggsthegrey http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-33060 Puggsthegrey Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:45:58 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-33060 Well that's the rub, the documents in order to show just how advanced Saddam's program was, have to be disclosed for independent analysis. Yet the moment they were, those very same people who said that Saddam was no threat, start going on about how anyone can now build a bomb from the information in those documents. Does anyone believe for a second that partially blacked out documents would have been enough? No, not when the other side has so much invested in trying to say Saddam was harmless. I'm not much concerned that basement bombs can be made from these papers. The knowledge of atom bomb building is much more complex than they imply at the Times. You must have skilled people, already know the basics, and realize that just putting components together won't make a successful bomb. The timing, the tolerances, the spacing, the ignition of the conventional explosives to trigger the reaction,.. very very delicate and precise, beyond a physics major and a truckload of eager jihadis. Iran? well they already know alot, and continue their work. But frankly, unemployed technicians from the old Soviet Union, and Pakistan are a much greater threat. Selling their knowledge as hired guns is much more likely, than an Iranian lab monkey slapping his forhead and going "aha!" even if they did get these papers, a very big if. Bush will still be president no matter how the election goes,.. so Iran should worry alot about what is in store for thim if they continue to keep inspecters out. Well that’s the rub, the documents in order to show just how advanced Saddam’s program was, have to be disclosed for independent analysis. Yet the moment they were, those very same people who said that Saddam was no threat, start going on about how anyone can now build a bomb from the information in those documents.

Does anyone believe for a second that partially blacked out documents would have been enough?

No, not when the other side has so much invested in trying to say Saddam was harmless.

I’m not much concerned that basement bombs can be made from these papers. The knowledge of atom bomb building is much more complex than they imply at the Times. You must have skilled people, already know the basics, and realize that just putting components together won’t make a successful bomb. The timing, the tolerances, the spacing, the ignition of the conventional explosives to trigger the reaction,.. very very delicate and precise, beyond a physics major and a truckload of eager jihadis.

Iran?

well they already know alot, and continue their work. But frankly, unemployed technicians from the old Soviet Union, and Pakistan are a much greater threat. Selling their knowledge as hired guns is much more likely, than an Iranian lab monkey slapping his forhead and going “aha!” even if they did get these papers, a very big if. Bush will still be president no matter how the election goes,.. so Iran should worry alot about what is in store for thim if they continue to keep inspecters out.

]]> By: The Anchoress » NYTimes: Bush told truth! Saddam a true threat! Yellowcake! http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-33035 The Anchoress » NYTimes: Bush told truth! Saddam a true threat! Yellowcake! Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:21:19 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-33035 [...] Also writing: Flopping Aces Blue Crab Boulevard Ace Oak Leaf at Polipundit [...] [...] Also writing: Flopping Aces Blue Crab Boulevard Ace Oak Leaf at Polipundit [...]

]]> By: Joust The Facts http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-33030 Joust The Facts Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:05:16 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-33030 <strong>The Times Has Done It Again...</strong> This time, though, I think they're going to be pretty unhappy about what they've done. Attempting to go on offense and administer the coup de grace to their beleaguered opponent, the NY Times exposes a story today how Iraqi nuclear... The Times Has Done It Again…

This time, though, I think they’re going to be pretty unhappy about what they’ve done. Attempting to go on offense and administer the coup de grace to their beleaguered opponent, the NY Times exposes a story today how Iraqi nuclear…

]]> By: Doug Ross @ Journal http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-33021 Doug Ross @ Journal Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:12:36 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-33021 <strong>New York Times: Hussein months away from a nuke...</strong> Oh, about those WMDs and close ties to Jihadi terrorists: Iraq had them, according to the Times (an Illustrated Guide)...... New York Times: Hussein months away from a nuke…

Oh, about those WMDs and close ties to Jihadi terrorists: Iraq had them, according to the Times (an Illustrated Guide)……

]]> By: Leaning Straight Up http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-32981 Leaning Straight Up Fri, 03 Nov 2006 07:09:37 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-32981 <strong>Is the NY Times about to score an own goal with claims Saddam had a nuclear weapons program?...</strong> So it appears.  H/T Stop the ACLU Tomorrows paper will include this story: U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Guide Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the... Is the NY Times about to score an own goal with claims Saddam had a nuclear weapons program?…

So it appears.  H/T Stop the ACLU
Tomorrows paper will include this story:
U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Guide
Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the…

]]> By: Bill's Bites http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-32978 Bill's Bites Fri, 03 Nov 2006 06:34:13 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-32978 <strong>New York Times Confirms Iraqi Nuclear Weapons Program...</strong> U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Guide Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war. The Bush administration did so under pressure... New York Times Confirms Iraqi Nuclear Weapons Program…

U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Guide Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war. The Bush administration did so under pressure…

]]> By: Puggsthegrey http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-32960 Puggsthegrey Fri, 03 Nov 2006 04:59:47 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-32960 My knowledge of nukes, is of doctrine, the basics of how they work, and the policies of their use. I was a security specialist assigned to nuclear weapons security at FE Warren AFB in the early 80's. 90th SMW, 4th Air Division, 15th Air Force, Strategic Air Command. We got regular MAST briefings, though the physics of the weapons was a different specialty than mine. Nominal yeild on average was 250-350 kilotons, three warheads per missile, 200 Minuteman III's spread out over three states. We were tasked with the destruction of the greater Soviet Union in the event of a total exchange, hard targets, bases, manufacturing, ports... I was there to shoot anyone attempting to breach security, secure the weapons. No touch pretty pretty bomb, puggs smack fingers... ouchies... Nukes were of great interest when you might have a few shot at you. My knowledge of nukes, is of doctrine, the basics of how they work, and the policies of their use. I was a security specialist assigned to nuclear weapons security at FE Warren AFB in the early 80′s. 90th SMW, 4th Air Division, 15th Air Force, Strategic Air Command. We got regular MAST briefings, though the physics of the weapons was a different specialty than mine. Nominal yeild on average was 250-350 kilotons, three warheads per missile, 200 Minuteman III’s spread out over three states. We were tasked with the destruction of the greater Soviet Union in the event of a total exchange, hard targets, bases, manufacturing, ports…

I was there to shoot anyone attempting to breach security, secure the weapons. No touch pretty pretty bomb, puggs smack fingers… ouchies…

Nukes were of great interest when you might have a few shot at you.

]]> By: The Political Pit Bull http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-32959 The Political Pit Bull Fri, 03 Nov 2006 04:54:28 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-32959 <strong>SURPRISE!!!: New York Times Planning Election Eve Iraq WMD Story...</strong> According to Drudge, The New York Times is planning to print an exclusive story on Iraq and "research of nuke bomb" tomorrow that will "ignite news cycles." Ace fantasizes: For those who want to hope... well, there is that talk...... SURPRISE!!!: New York Times Planning Election Eve Iraq WMD Story…

According to Drudge, The New York Times is planning to print an exclusive story on Iraq and “research of nuke bomb” tomorrow that will “ignite news cycles.” Ace fantasizes: For those who want to hope… well, there is that talk……

]]> By: Puggsthegrey http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-32957 Puggsthegrey Fri, 03 Nov 2006 04:45:54 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/02/the-november-surprise/#comment-32957 So Saddam was a threat, a direct repudiation of the no WMD crowds crowing since the war started, and they choose to take issue with the White House for disclosing the very papers that prove it? While if they had blacked out any of it, they would claim the papers proved nothing... So no evidence is bad, but giving evidence is worse,. because it makes them look like asses.. er I mean endangers the world.. yeah that's it, it endangers the world... if they hoped it would hurt the GOP, they seriously misunderstand the nature of the papers that were shown. They greatly underestimate the intelligence of the voters as well. This is asinine. You arrest a guy for conspiarcy to break into your house and kill your family, The defense taunts nuh huh,.. You provide the proof of the conspiracy,.. and the press complains it shows other burglars how to do the same? That's kinda twisted, and beside the original point. So Saddam was a threat, a direct repudiation of the no WMD crowds crowing since the war started, and they choose to take issue with the White House for disclosing the very papers that prove it?

While if they had blacked out any of it, they would claim the papers proved nothing…

So no evidence is bad, but giving evidence is worse,. because it makes them look like asses.. er I mean endangers the world.. yeah that’s it, it endangers the world…

if they hoped it would hurt the GOP, they seriously misunderstand the nature of the papers that were shown. They greatly underestimate the intelligence of the voters as well.

This is asinine.

You arrest a guy for conspiarcy to break into your house and kill your family,

The defense taunts nuh huh,..

You provide the proof of the conspiracy,..

and the press complains it shows other burglars how to do the same?

That’s kinda twisted, and beside the original point.

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