Comments on: “I’d Like To See It Through.” http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:27:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: kreiz http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/comment-page-1/#comment-34457 kreiz Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:35:29 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/#comment-34457 Donna, you presume that the Iraqis, if left to their own devices, would decide their own fate. This ignores other likely regional interlopers, namely, Iran, Syria and Al Qaeda. Perhaps the US would be more willing to leave Iraq if the ensuing vacuum wouldn't be influenced and/or filled by those powers. It's a quandry, to be sure, one that we should've thought through before 2003. But it's still a reality. It's not all about us. Donna, you presume that the Iraqis, if left to their own devices, would decide their own fate. This ignores other likely regional interlopers, namely, Iran, Syria and Al Qaeda. Perhaps the US would be more willing to leave Iraq if the ensuing vacuum wouldn’t be influenced and/or filled by those powers. It’s a quandry, to be sure, one that we should’ve thought through before 2003. But it’s still a reality. It’s not all about us.

]]> By: Donna http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/comment-page-1/#comment-34180 Donna Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:31:48 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/#comment-34180 What kind of arrogance is it that we think Americans, whether Republicans, Democrats, regular citizens or soldiers, should be the decision-makers about Iraq's future? That is for the Iraqi people to decide. It is their country, and if they want us to leave or set a timetable to leave, then so be it. If they want us to stay, so be it, and then we can decide staying or leaving based upon what we also want. Where we really need to be morally responsible is to stop regarding everyone outside our own worldview as inferior or as having lesser rights to self-determination than we claim for ourselves. The one piece of a moral America that needs to stay in Iraq is a big chunk of our tax dollars for paying for the mess we allowed in somebody else's nation. We invaded, we allowed the chaos to grow unchecked, we made policy based on theories instead of common sense. What kind of arrogance is it that we think Americans, whether Republicans, Democrats, regular citizens or soldiers, should be the decision-makers about Iraq’s future? That is for the Iraqi people to decide. It is their country, and if they want us to leave or set a timetable to leave, then so be it. If they want us to stay, so be it, and then we can decide staying or leaving based upon what we also want.

Where we really need to be morally responsible is to stop regarding everyone outside our own worldview as inferior or as having lesser rights to self-determination than we claim for ourselves.
The one piece of a moral America that needs to stay in Iraq is a big chunk of our tax dollars for paying for the mess we allowed in somebody else’s nation. We invaded, we allowed the chaos to grow unchecked, we made policy based on theories instead of common sense.

]]> By: Former Republican http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/comment-page-1/#comment-34149 Former Republican Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:31:02 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/#comment-34149 Ordinary Iraqis want us to go: ``Majorities in all regions except Kurdish areas state that the Multi-National Force-Iraq (MNF-I) should withdraw immediately, adding that the MNF-I's departure would make them feel safer and decrease violence,'' concludes the 20-page State Department report, titled ``Iraq Civil War Fears Remain High in Sunni and Mixed Areas.'' The report was based on 1,870 face-to-face interviews conducted from June 26 to July 6. I think ordinary Iraqis have a better idea what's good for them than our soldiers do. And if they want us to go, we don't have a moral basis for staying. Ordinary Iraqis want us to go:

“Majorities in all regions except Kurdish areas state that the Multi-National Force-Iraq (MNF-I) should withdraw immediately, adding that the MNF-I’s departure would make them feel safer and decrease violence,” concludes the 20-page State Department report, titled “Iraq Civil War Fears Remain High in Sunni and Mixed Areas.” The report was based on 1,870 face-to-face interviews conducted from June 26 to July 6.

I think ordinary Iraqis have a better idea what’s good for them than our soldiers do. And if they want us to go, we don’t have a moral basis for staying.

]]> By: Leaning Straight Up http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/comment-page-1/#comment-34082 Leaning Straight Up Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:59:13 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/#comment-34082 <strong>What do the troops say about cut and run?...</strong> The democrats claim that their cut and run or immediate withdrawal ideas are the best way to support the troops in Iraq:  To bring them home. Funny, the troops seem to disagree. Soldiers in Iraq Say Pullout Would Have Devastating Results For ... What do the troops say about cut and run?…

The democrats claim that their cut and run or immediate withdrawal ideas are the best way to support the troops in Iraq:  To bring them home.
Funny, the troops seem to disagree.
Soldiers in Iraq Say Pullout Would Have Devastating Results
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]]> By: mokus http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/comment-page-1/#comment-34057 mokus Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:24:39 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/#comment-34057 The prospect of Saddam's execution will bring things to a head. Sunni attempts to keep him alive will be met by Shi'a demands he be put to death. If the two sides mobilize their various armed elements, the long simmering civil war could boil over, break out of the shadows, and inflame Baghdad. Our forces should be prepared well in advance to protect themselves. The prospect of Saddam’s execution will bring things to a head. Sunni attempts to keep him alive will be met by Shi’a demands he be put to death. If the two sides mobilize their various armed elements, the long simmering civil war could boil over, break out of the shadows, and inflame Baghdad.

Our forces should be prepared well in advance to protect themselves.

]]> By: PostWatch http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/comment-page-1/#comment-34056 PostWatch Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:17:37 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/#comment-34056 <strong>Listening Now...</strong> I would have placed Soldiers in Iraq Say Pullout Would Have Devastating Results by Josh White at least on the bottom of page 1, where the Post instead runs a Style-worthy puff piece, Need To Reach Mark Plotkin? Still, on... Listening Now…

I would have placed Soldiers in Iraq Say Pullout Would Have Devastating Results by Josh White at least on the bottom of page 1, where the Post instead runs a Style-worthy puff piece, Need To Reach Mark Plotkin? Still, on…

]]> By: Sensible Mom http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/comment-page-1/#comment-34051 Sensible Mom Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:58:01 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/#comment-34051 <strong>Troops: Iraq Pullout Bad...</strong> The Washington Post just now deems it important to report what the soldiers, who are fighting in Iraq, think about the mission? I thought the MSM granted absolute moral authority to those who are doing the fighting or have lost a family member in the ... Troops: Iraq Pullout Bad…

The Washington Post just now deems it important to report what the soldiers, who are fighting in Iraq, think about the mission? I thought the MSM granted absolute moral authority to those who are doing the fighting or have lost a family member in the …

]]> By: The Political Pit Bull http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/comment-page-1/#comment-34048 The Political Pit Bull Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:13:26 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/#comment-34048 <strong>US Soldiers Say Leaving Iraq Would Have Devastating Consequences...</strong> But remember, they're stupid and uneducated, so it doesn't really matter what they think. For the U.S. troops fighting in Iraq, the war is alternately violent and hopeful, sometimes very hot and sometimes very cold. It is dusty and muddy,...... US Soldiers Say Leaving Iraq Would Have Devastating Consequences…

But remember, they’re stupid and uneducated, so it doesn’t really matter what they think. For the U.S. troops fighting in Iraq, the war is alternately violent and hopeful, sometimes very hot and sometimes very cold. It is dusty and muddy,……

]]> By: jpg http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/comment-page-1/#comment-34034 jpg Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:09:59 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/11/06/id-like-to-see-it-through/#comment-34034 I am from Falls City, Nebraska. I don't know Jonathan personally, but he played ball for my brother at one of the local high schools. Good people are he and his family. God bless all the soldiers. JPG I am from Falls City, Nebraska. I don’t know Jonathan personally, but he played ball for my brother at one of the local high schools. Good people are he and his family. God bless all the soldiers. JPG

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