Dissenting Voice
Ralph Peters has a decidedly different idea of the issue of large, unassimilated populations of Muslims in Europe. Many people have been warning of the impending demographic disaster in Europe as aging welfare state populations fail to reproduce at similar rates to the Muslim groups. Peters says the opposite fear should be on everyone's minds.
November 26, 2006 — A RASH of pop prophets tell us that Muslims in Europe are reproducing so fast and European societies are so weak and listless that, before you know it, the continent will become "Eurabia," with all those topless gals on the Riviera wearing veils.
Well, maybe not.
The notion that continental Europeans, who are world-champion haters, will let the impoverished Muslim immigrants they confine to ghettos take over their societies and extend the caliphate from the Amalfi Coast to Amsterdam has it exactly wrong.
The endangered species isn't the "peace loving" European lolling in his or her welfare state, but the continent's Muslims immigrants - and their multi-generation descendents - who were foolish enough to imagine that Europeans would share their toys.
In fact, Muslims are hardly welcome to pick up the trash on Europe's playgrounds.
Don't let Europe's current round of playing pacifist dress-up fool you: This is the continent that perfected genocide and ethnic cleansing, the happy-go-lucky slice of humanity that brought us such recent hits as the Holocaust and Srebrenica.
THE historical patterns are clear: When Europeans feel sufficiently threatened - even when the threat's concocted nonsense - they don't just react, they over-react with stunning ferocity. One of their more-humane (and frequently employed) techniques has been ethnic cleansing.
And Europeans won't even need to re-write "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" with an Islamist theme - real Muslims zealots provide Europe's bigots with all the propaganda they need. Al Qaeda and its wannabe fans are the worst thing that could have happened to Europe's Muslims. Europe hasn't broken free of its historical addictions - we're going to see Europe's history reprised on meth.
The year 1492 wasn't just big for Columbus. It's also when Spain expelled its culturally magnificent Jewish community en masse - to be followed shortly by the Moors, Muslims who had been on the Iberian Peninsula for more than 800 years.
Jews got the boot elsewhere in Europe, too - if they weren't just killed on the spot. When Shakespeare wrote "The Merchant of Venice," it's a safe bet he'd never met a Jew. The Chosen People were long-gone from Jolly Olde England.
From the French expulsion of the Huguenots right down to the last century's massive ethnic cleansings, Europeans have never been shy about showing "foreigners and subversives" the door.
How's that for a troubling view of the outcome? It remains to be seen if Peters is correct and folks like Mark Steyn have it wrong. But Peters has a point. There is a very long history of that sort of response in Europe. And Peters also points out that one third of French voters have supported Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front party. That the National Front party is extreme in its anti-immigrant stance is to put it very mildly indeed.
How's that for a troubling view of the outcome? It remains to be seen if Peters is correct and folks like Mark Steyn have it wrong. But Peters has a point. There is a very long history of that sort of response in Europe. And Peters also points out that one third of French voters have supported Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front party. That the National Front party is extreme in its anti-immigrant stance is to put it very mildly indeed.
World news | Gaius Sunday, 26 November , 2006
By syn, Sunday, 26 November , 2006 @ 11:26 am
With the typical Muslim immigrant breedings 3 children to every 1 child born to a secular self-indulgent narcissist European, Peter’s premise that fierce olde Europe will rise to the occasion seems rather silly.
Ye olde Europeans won’t fight as their forefathers did because unlike yesteryear, today’s modern European will find it easier for them to simply leave their country of origin for more secure lands.
That said, France’s National Party may believe it has power but that’s because it is probably full of old people who aborted their offspring twenty/thirty years ago and thought appeasing the enemy with understanding will bring peace to their entitled lives.
The fact is today’s French youths continue to riot, control the cite’ streets and have beaten the cops to a pulp.
Peters overlooks one simple fact, no matter how intelligent or barbaric no species will survive if it exterminates its offspring.
By TC@LeatherPenguin, Sunday, 26 November , 2006 @ 12:18 pm
It may just be me, but I’ve been noticing that Ralph Peters has been getting–not pessimistic, but apolocyptic. He’s been becoming more strident, and shrill, in almost every column he kicks out.
I’ll stick with Steyn for overall views. He actually LIVES in a couple of countries… Peter’s is starting to sound like some K Streeter that is being ignored, so he amps up his stuff.
By TC@LeatherPenguin, Sunday, 26 November , 2006 @ 12:25 pm
yes, my spelling took a dive.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/steyn/149527,CST-EDT-steyn26.article
read that
By Mark, Sunday, 26 November , 2006 @ 12:43 pm
I think the one flaw in Steyn’s analysis is the overwhelming reliance on demographics as the midwife of Eurabia. Steyn’s point would be better made if Europe were going to re-fight WWI and WWII, which it is not. With whom does military power in Europe rest? That’s right, the state, not some Islamic rabble. Certainly, the European military is much weaker than earlier, but it is sufficient to maintain domestic order against unassimilated muslims. In fact, it could do much worse. Europe certainly had no trouble rallying behind antisemitism, and largely still does. Is it any great stretch of the imagination for this hatred to be directed against a truly obnoxious, noisome element of society?
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By Gaius, Sunday, 26 November , 2006 @ 2:07 pm
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By jpe, Sunday, 26 November , 2006 @ 4:10 pm
That said, France’s National Party may believe it has power but that’s because it is probably full of old people…
Nah. There are plenty of young liberals (such as myself) that have had it up to here with immigrants and their inferior cultures.
By syn, Sunday, 26 November , 2006 @ 4:21 pm
Liberals in France, I thought the Socialists drove them out of the country?
By hal, Sunday, 26 November , 2006 @ 4:22 pm
I agree that Peters has been a little overwrought lately; actually, more than a little. I think the issue is not whether the Euros have the military capacity to put down such a threat, or a history that suggests they might, but whether their postmodern ennui has removed their will to do anything about it the islamic assault now under way. THe surest sign of cultural exhaustion, following the indispensible Mark Steyn, is and remains failure to pass that culture along to another generation.
It would be a break if Peters and not Steyn were correct however.
By jpe, Sunday, 26 November , 2006 @ 5:17 pm
a) you only think Peters has been overwrought because he’s recognized that Iraq is a sinkhole.
b) the political effects of post-modernism cut both ways. While some tend toward the overly PC, it’s correctly criticized (or lauded, depending on your perspective) for not providing any kind of substantive political opposition to rightism. This is precisely why academic pomos are regularly assailed by leftists: their theoretical project leaves open the political project of righties. Pomo’ism doesn’t foster ennui; rather, it leaves available righty responses to political problems.
By Irenaeus, Sunday, 26 November , 2006 @ 7:39 pm
What will be interesting in the next generation is to see whether Turkey gets into the EU or not. Once that happens, Eurasia if not Eurabia is a done deal.
Living in Europe, I just don’t see a major anti-immigrant thing happening. Anyone who tries anything anti-immigrant is lambasted as a Nazi, period. WWII was a major break not just in world history but in the European psyche.
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By TC@LeatherPenguin, Sunday, 26 November , 2006 @ 9:00 pm
The question is easily answered: “Are you (fill in the domain’s name)?”
French? Dutch? English?
If that answer offers even one moment’s retrospect, it over.
By Kathy, Sunday, 26 November , 2006 @ 9:28 pm
Gaius,
I agree with you on this one.
Don’t faint.
By the way, it’s funny I had to type in “grape” as the anti-spam word. I’m eating grapes right now.