Comments on: Damaging Foolishness http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:27:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Thomas Nephew http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/comment-page-1/#comment-56338 Thomas Nephew Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:26:45 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/#comment-56338 <i>kind of medieval of you</i> By way of metaphor: if great-grandpa killed someone, and then Grandpa, Dad, and I conceal that and argue it didn't happen, then we are guilty -- not of murder, but of conspiracy to obstruct justice. And to forestall one argument, statutes of limitations that apply to homicide shouldn't to genocide. Turkey's present day guilt is similar. The harm done to themselves (thinking they've got away with murder) and others (thinking they'll get away with it too) is similar. And yes, acknowledging guilt might lead to (wholly just) reparations to the heirs of hundreds of thousands Armenians driven from their homes, robbed, and killed (it's estimated as many as <i><b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide#Casualties.2C_1914_to_1918" rel="nofollow">1.5 million</a></b></i> died). This is not an empty exercise, it's a crucial one. kind of medieval of you
By way of metaphor: if great-grandpa killed someone, and then Grandpa, Dad, and I conceal that and argue it didn’t happen, then we are guilty — not of murder, but of conspiracy to obstruct justice. And to forestall one argument, statutes of limitations that apply to homicide shouldn’t to genocide.

Turkey’s present day guilt is similar. The harm done to themselves (thinking they’ve got away with murder) and others (thinking they’ll get away with it too) is similar. And yes, acknowledging guilt might lead to (wholly just) reparations to the heirs of hundreds of thousands Armenians driven from their homes, robbed, and killed (it’s estimated as many as 1.5 million died). This is not an empty exercise, it’s a crucial one.

]]> By: Hyscience http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/comment-page-1/#comment-56068 Hyscience Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:59:44 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/#comment-56068 <strong>The House's Ottoman Agenda...</strong> Just when I thought the House had learned from their first non-binding resolution, another Democrat cranks up on another resolution that's even more ridiculous and damaging than the first one - "a non-binding House resolution describing a "genocide... The House’s Ottoman Agenda…

Just when I thought the House had learned from their first non-binding resolution, another Democrat cranks up on another resolution that’s even more ridiculous and damaging than the first one – “a non-binding House resolution describing a “genocide…

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/comment-page-1/#comment-56048 Gaius Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:40:02 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/#comment-56048 That's your opinion. It changes nothing, does not one bit of good and causes antagonism. But it makes you happy. Nice self-righteous there, buddy, That’s your opinion. It changes nothing, does not one bit of good and causes antagonism.

But it makes you happy.

Nice self-righteous there, buddy,

]]> By: patrick http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/comment-page-1/#comment-56046 patrick Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:30:41 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/#comment-56046 Nice straw man, buddy; no one is saying that todays Turks are guilty for what their ancestors did. They just need to acknowledge that their country has not always been innocent; it is currently illegal in Turkey to acknowledge historical events that are almost universally accepted outside the country. I know people like you like to talk about "democracy in the middle east"; what this guy is saying is that Turkey, out of all the Middle East countries, has the best potential to evolve into a Western-style democracy IF they get over nationalism and historical myopia. Nice straw man, buddy; no one is saying that todays Turks are guilty for what their ancestors did. They just need to acknowledge that their country has not always been innocent; it is currently illegal in Turkey to acknowledge historical events that are almost universally accepted outside the country.
I know people like you like to talk about “democracy in the middle east”; what this guy is saying is that Turkey, out of all the Middle East countries, has the best potential to evolve into a Western-style democracy IF they get over nationalism and historical myopia.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/comment-page-1/#comment-56040 Gaius Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:39:15 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/#comment-56040 The criminals are long dead. You want inherited guilt to be passed on to today's generation. Think very hard about what you are demanding here. You want today's Turks to answer for what their ancestors did. Kind of medieval of you. The criminals are long dead. You want inherited guilt to be passed on to today’s generation.

Think very hard about what you are demanding here. You want today’s Turks to answer for what their ancestors did.

Kind of medieval of you.

]]> By: syn http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/comment-page-1/#comment-56031 syn Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:56:37 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/#comment-56031 I guess this means that 92 years from now Democrats will condemn Saddam's genocide against the people of Iraq. I guess this means that 92 years from now Democrats will condemn Saddam’s genocide against the people of Iraq.

]]> By: Thomas Nephew http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/comment-page-1/#comment-56030 Thomas Nephew Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:50:54 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/#comment-56030 Another point is that a great number of Republicans have co-sponsored HR106, including both Diaz-Balarts, Musgrave, Rohrabacher, and Sensenbrenner. But there's also no inconsistency in opposing continued presence in Iraq and calling Turkey to account for its crimes against humanity. No one's talking about *invading* Turkey, after all. I couldn't disagree with you more that this resolution does no good. Not passing it would be much worse. It always does good to call criminals to account for crimes, it always does harm to shy away from doing that. If there are consequences, so be it; high time they were borne by the country of Turkey, and not by Armenians waiting for justice for 3 generations. Another point is that a great number of Republicans have co-sponsored HR106, including both Diaz-Balarts, Musgrave, Rohrabacher, and Sensenbrenner.

But there’s also no inconsistency in opposing continued presence in Iraq and calling Turkey to account for its crimes against humanity. No one’s talking about *invading* Turkey, after all.

I couldn’t disagree with you more that this resolution does no good. Not passing it would be much worse. It always does good to call criminals to account for crimes, it always does harm to shy away from doing that. If there are consequences, so be it; high time they were borne by the country of Turkey, and not by Armenians waiting for justice for 3 generations.

]]> By: cfaller96 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/comment-page-1/#comment-56018 cfaller96 Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:54:58 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/#comment-56018 Gaius, how is a non-binding resolution designed to pander to an ethnic community inside a certain Congressman's district "meddl[ing] in the affairs of an allied nation?" Really, this post just seems like a silly excuse to criticize Dems. And wasn't that editorial really critical of the Turkish political class, <i>because</i> they're getting worked up about a silly non-binding resolution? Next time, stick to <i>meaningful</i> criticisms of Dems, Gaius. Gaius, how is a non-binding resolution designed to pander to an ethnic community inside a certain Congressman’s district “meddl[ing] in the affairs of an allied nation?” Really, this post just seems like a silly excuse to criticize Dems.

And wasn’t that editorial really critical of the Turkish political class, because they’re getting worked up about a silly non-binding resolution?

Next time, stick to meaningful criticisms of Dems, Gaius.

]]> By: The Thunder Run http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/comment-page-1/#comment-55998 The Thunder Run Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:31:07 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/#comment-55998 <strong>Web Reconnaissance for 03/05/2007...</strong> A short recon of whatÂ’s out there that might draw your attention.... Web Reconnaissance for 03/05/2007…

A short recon of whatÂ’s out there that might draw your attention….

]]> By: feeblemind http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/comment-page-1/#comment-55993 feeblemind Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:47:30 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/03/05/damaging-foolishness/#comment-55993 Sounds like an excellent plan....if your goal is to see US defeated in that part of world. Sounds like an excellent plan….if your goal is to see US defeated in that part of world.

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