Comments on: A Look Back At The Republican Victory – In 2008 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/05/31/a-look-back-at-the-republican-victory-in-2008/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:27:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Former Republican http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/05/31/a-look-back-at-the-republican-victory-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-60372 Former Republican Thu, 31 May 2007 20:16:53 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/05/31/a-look-back-at-the-republican-victory-in-2008/#comment-60372 AB, if you were insulted by my post, I am sorry. I certainly didn't mean to insult people like you, and I don't think you can reasonably claim I did. Gaius's original post was about Europe's demographic problem. My point was that we will have a similar problem if we cut back on total immigration. It's a demographic problem, so it's not important whether the immigration is legal or illegal. Both types of immigration increase our population. That's why I didn't differentiate between the two. Right now we have a level of immigration that means the US population will keep growing. Most of it is illegal. If we stop all illegal immigration, and keep legal immigration at the same level it has been at, our population will eventually start shrinking. If you think I am wrong, tell me why. What's with the business about liberals, leftists, Democrats? Seems a bit off-topic. AB, if you were insulted by my post, I am sorry. I certainly didn’t mean to insult people like you, and I don’t think you can reasonably claim I did. Gaius’s original post was about Europe’s demographic problem. My point was that we will have a similar problem if we cut back on total immigration. It’s a demographic problem, so it’s not important whether the immigration is legal or illegal. Both types of immigration increase our population. That’s why I didn’t differentiate between the two. Right now we have a level of immigration that means the US population will keep growing. Most of it is illegal. If we stop all illegal immigration, and keep legal immigration at the same level it has been at, our population will eventually start shrinking. If you think I am wrong, tell me why.

What’s with the business about liberals, leftists, Democrats? Seems a bit off-topic.

]]> By: AB http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/05/31/a-look-back-at-the-republican-victory-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-60361 AB Thu, 31 May 2007 17:29:19 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/05/31/a-look-back-at-the-republican-victory-in-2008/#comment-60361 Why is it that people always conflate ILLEGAL immigration with all immigration? The issue, Former Republican, is controlling illegal immigration and controlling the porous borders. I myself am an immigrant, going for my citizenship interview in the next month, and I am insulted each time people like you equate law-abiding immigrants like myself to everyone else who doesn't play by the rules. So, why don't you stick to the specific topic of illegal immigration, instead of dragging all immigrants into the mix to give your arguments some semblance of credibility? P.S. And while we're at it, can we please stop calling Democrats and leftists "liberals" and call them by their proper name: "socialists"? My theory as to why immigrants tend to vote for Democrats is because it's all a matter of semantics. Many immigrants come here from oppressive countries. They want to participate in a democracy. They see a party called Democratic Party, with the members referred to as liberals. Ergo, they should be Democrats. It's like a default setting. It's not as far-fetched as you might think. I have a Ph.D. in engineering and pretty well-read, but I initially identified with the Democrats during my first few years here (as a graduate student, and not very politically-interested at that). Now I know better. Why is it that people always conflate ILLEGAL immigration with all immigration?

The issue, Former Republican, is controlling illegal immigration and controlling the porous borders. I myself am an immigrant, going for my citizenship interview in the next month, and I am insulted each time people like you equate law-abiding immigrants like myself to everyone else who doesn’t play by the rules.

So, why don’t you stick to the specific topic of illegal immigration, instead of dragging all immigrants into the mix to give your arguments some semblance of credibility?

P.S. And while we’re at it, can we please stop calling Democrats and leftists “liberals” and call them by their proper name: “socialists”?

My theory as to why immigrants tend to vote for Democrats is because it’s all a matter of semantics. Many immigrants come here from oppressive countries. They want to participate in a democracy. They see a party called Democratic Party, with the members referred to as liberals. Ergo, they should be Democrats. It’s like a default setting.

It’s not as far-fetched as you might think. I have a Ph.D. in engineering and pretty well-read, but I initially identified with the Democrats during my first few years here (as a graduate student, and not very politically-interested at that). Now I know better.

]]> By: Former Republican http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/05/31/a-look-back-at-the-republican-victory-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-60358 Former Republican Thu, 31 May 2007 16:40:59 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/05/31/a-look-back-at-the-republican-victory-in-2008/#comment-60358 Interesting to compare this post with the post on Europe's demographic problem. If we cut back immigration a lot, we are going to have a long-term demographic problem, since the reproduction rate of native-born Americans is well below replacement rate. If we control our borders and cut down immigration to a trickle, our population will (eventually) start declining. Immigrants to the US are heavily Hispanic. Relatively few are Muslim. So it would be possible, theoretically, to control our borders and yet allow in Hispanic and other non-Muslim immigrants on the same massive scale as in recent years. I suspect that wouldn't go down very well with people who want to "control our borders." I see a dilemma here for you, Gaius. How do you resolve it? Interesting to compare this post with the post on Europe’s demographic problem. If we cut back immigration a lot, we are going to have a long-term demographic problem, since the reproduction rate of native-born Americans is well below replacement rate. If we control our borders and cut down immigration to a trickle, our population will (eventually) start declining.

Immigrants to the US are heavily Hispanic. Relatively few are Muslim. So it would be possible, theoretically, to control our borders and yet allow in Hispanic and other non-Muslim immigrants on the same massive scale as in recent years. I suspect that wouldn’t go down very well with people who want to “control our borders.”

I see a dilemma here for you, Gaius. How do you resolve it?

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