Comments on: “Only The Sword And The Rifle.” http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:27:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/comment-page-1/#comment-61337 Gaius Sat, 16 Jun 2007 03:37:43 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/#comment-61337 <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en" xml:lang="en"> <head> <title>Untitled document</title> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /> </head> <body> <p>New AP headline: <strong><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070616/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians;_ylt=Aug8Z7vHUR9RduJFqjIAAYWs0NUE" rel="nofollow">Hamas gives amnesty; killings persist</a></strong></p> <p>Things are going to get worse for the residents of Gaza. Bet on it.</p> </body> </html> < ?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> < !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">

New AP headline: Hamas gives amnesty; killings persist

Things are going to get worse for the residents of Gaza. Bet on it.

]]> By: Former Republican http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/comment-page-1/#comment-61336 Former Republican Sat, 16 Jun 2007 03:13:28 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/#comment-61336 Gaius, I don't give credence to what Hamas says, or anyone else for that matter. I look at what they do. Hamas is not in fact executing Fatah captives. It is letting them go. You said things are going to get uglier. Maybe you will turn out to be right. But so far, they haven't. Gaius, I don’t give credence to what Hamas says, or anyone else for that matter. I look at what they do. Hamas is not in fact executing Fatah captives. It is letting them go. You said things are going to get uglier. Maybe you will turn out to be right. But so far, they haven’t.

]]> By: Former Republican http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/comment-page-1/#comment-61314 Former Republican Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:51:41 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/#comment-61314 Gaius, I got a bit too strident. I apologize. You run a very civilized site and I should behave accordingly. Gaius, I got a bit too strident. I apologize. You run a very civilized site and I should behave accordingly.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/comment-page-1/#comment-61285 Gaius Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:42:53 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/#comment-61285 No I'm not. I don't believe Hamas has anything approaching credibility with any of their pronouncements. You on the other hand give them full credence. How many ceasefires have they declared? How many died as a result of each one? No I’m not. I don’t believe Hamas has anything approaching credibility with any of their pronouncements. You on the other hand give them full credence.

How many ceasefires have they declared? How many died as a result of each one?

]]> By: Former Republican http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/comment-page-1/#comment-61284 Former Republican Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:09:19 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/#comment-61284 Ajacksonian, are you really serious that the U.S. agreement to bribe Egypt with U.S. aid is not appeasement? Would you prefer to call it protection money? Israel gave up the Sinai, and in return Egypt gave a paper promise to be good. If that isn't appeasement, the word has no meaning. No one knew at the time, except possibly the Egyptians, that they would in fact honor their word. Ajacksonian, are you really serious that the U.S. agreement to bribe Egypt with U.S. aid is not appeasement? Would you prefer to call it protection money? Israel gave up the Sinai, and in return Egypt gave a paper promise to be good. If that isn’t appeasement, the word has no meaning. No one knew at the time, except possibly the Egyptians, that they would in fact honor their word.

]]> By: Former Republican http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/comment-page-1/#comment-61282 Former Republican Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:06:13 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/#comment-61282 Gaius, you are simply wrong. According to the Wall Street Journal online: "Earlier Friday, Hamas announced it had arrested 10 of the most senior Fatah leaders in the strip, including the commanders of Mr. Abbas's own elite guard unit and the chief of the National Security force. However, Hamas spokesman Abu Obeideh later declared an amnesty for all Fatah leaders, and several Fatah leaders, including spokesman Tawfiq Abu Khoussa, were released shortly afterwards" If you demonize people you dislike, you'll have trouble predicting what they'll do. Gaius, you are simply wrong. According to the Wall Street Journal online:

“Earlier Friday, Hamas announced it had arrested 10 of the most senior Fatah leaders in the strip, including the commanders of Mr. Abbas’s own elite guard unit and the chief of the National Security force. However, Hamas spokesman Abu Obeideh later declared an amnesty for all Fatah leaders, and several Fatah leaders, including spokesman Tawfiq Abu Khoussa, were released shortly afterwards”

If you demonize people you dislike, you’ll have trouble predicting what they’ll do.

]]> By: Blue Crab Boulevard » Laying Down Smoke http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/comment-page-1/#comment-61268 Blue Crab Boulevard » Laying Down Smoke Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:05:59 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/#comment-61268 [...] The WaPo appears to have obscured that little tidbit. They also appear not to look beyond that little Hamas drama at what else Hamas is saying: That there will be no negotiation with Fatah except by way of force: “There will be no dialogue with Fatah, only the sword and the rifle,” declared Nezar Rayyan, a top Hamas leader, on the Islamist movement’s radio station as Fatah broadcasters were bombed off the air. [...] [...] The WaPo appears to have obscured that little tidbit. They also appear not to look beyond that little Hamas drama at what else Hamas is saying: That there will be no negotiation with Fatah except by way of force: “There will be no dialogue with Fatah, only the sword and the rifle,” declared Nezar Rayyan, a top Hamas leader, on the Islamist movement’s radio station as Fatah broadcasters were bombed off the air. [...]

]]> By: ajacksonian http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/comment-page-1/#comment-61267 ajacksonian Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:01:44 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/#comment-61267 Was it only 18 months or so ago that I <a href="http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2006/01/note-to-hamas.html" rel="nofollow">wished Hamas good luck</a> in their new found majority in Palestine? Why yes it was! Have they sorted out their priorities yet? Why, no, no they haven't. Where they warned about a Civil War if they did not amend their ways? Why yes, yes they were. Dear, me! Oh, and Egypt plays nice due to $2 billion in US aid per year. If we end that a whopping chunk of the Egyptian budget disappears and fun times would not be had by them. That is not appeasement. That is a bribe with the Sugar Daddy giving fair warning to play nice or face social revolution once the cash goes away. Jordan gets much the same deal. Was it only 18 months or so ago that I wished Hamas good luck in their new found majority in Palestine? Why yes it was!

Have they sorted out their priorities yet?

Why, no, no they haven’t.

Where they warned about a Civil War if they did not amend their ways?

Why yes, yes they were.

Dear, me!

Oh, and Egypt plays nice due to $2 billion in US aid per year. If we end that a whopping chunk of the Egyptian budget disappears and fun times would not be had by them. That is not appeasement.

That is a bribe with the Sugar Daddy giving fair warning to play nice or face social revolution once the cash goes away. Jordan gets much the same deal.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/comment-page-1/#comment-61266 Gaius Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:50:08 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/#comment-61266 Oh? http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3412813,00.html <i>Hamas' media outlets threatened to reach Fatah and the PA's official radio and telelvision stations, and provided the names of senior Fatah officials they planned to execute. "We will reach you," Hamas members told the Fatah leaders.</i> And the article you link states Hamas would free "leaders" of Fatah. How many troops from that group lived? Carter - and people who try to gloss over the Palestinian behavior - have brought this about by failing to hold them accountable for their atrocities. Oh?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3412813,00.html

Hamas’ media outlets threatened to reach Fatah and the PA’s official radio and telelvision stations, and provided the names of senior Fatah officials they planned to execute. “We will reach you,” Hamas members told the Fatah leaders.

And the article you link states Hamas would free “leaders” of Fatah. How many troops from that group lived?

Carter – and people who try to gloss over the Palestinian behavior – have brought this about by failing to hold them accountable for their atrocities.

]]> By: Former Republican http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/comment-page-1/#comment-61265 Former Republican Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:03:46 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/14/only-the-sword-and-the-rifle/#comment-61265 Executions? Looks like you're wrong again. Hamas has declared an amnesty for Fatah leaders. http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20070615/46720ec0_3ca6_1552620070615-779188073 Jimmy Carter's responsible for what the Palestinians have done? Hardly. Israel has been in de facto control of the West Bank and Gaza ever since the 1967 war, until very recently. To the extent that anyone is responsible for what the Palestinians have become, besides the Palestinians themselves, it is the Israelis. I do think Jimmy Carter bears significant responsibility for the peace between Egypt and Israel, which has lasted 27 years now and counting. He induced Israel to follow a policy of appeasement toward Egypt, giving up the Sinai in return for Egypt's promise of good behavior. Has worked fine so far. Sometimes appeasement is the right policy. Executions? Looks like you’re wrong again. Hamas has declared an amnesty for Fatah leaders. http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20070615/46720ec0_3ca6_1552620070615-779188073

Jimmy Carter’s responsible for what the Palestinians have done? Hardly. Israel has been in de facto control of the West Bank and Gaza ever since the 1967 war, until very recently. To the extent that anyone is responsible for what the Palestinians have become, besides the Palestinians themselves, it is the Israelis.

I do think Jimmy Carter bears significant responsibility for the peace between Egypt and Israel, which has lasted 27 years now and counting. He induced Israel to follow a policy of appeasement toward Egypt, giving up the Sinai in return for Egypt’s promise of good behavior. Has worked fine so far. Sometimes appeasement is the right policy.

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