Comments on: Runaway Train http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:00:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Chris http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/comment-page-1/#comment-61787 Chris Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:53:15 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/#comment-61787 Told you they weren't listening. Missing the forest for the trees, I believe. Told you they weren’t listening. Missing the forest for the trees, I believe.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/comment-page-1/#comment-61687 Gaius Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:36:48 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/#comment-61687 The reason for the investigation was the leak by Armitage. You demanded - and got - your witch hunt. Now you can expect to deal with the exact same thing in the future. You demand fairness and no coddling of criminals. But the President of the United States was convicted of perjury. And lost his license to practice law. You think it's right for Libby to go to jail for 30 months? For supposedly lying in an investigation that should have stopped at Armitage. Because Fitzgerald found the leaker that precipitated the investigation - and it should have stopped there. You're convinced it was deeper than that, therefore witch hunting is a good thing. I'm sure you'll be quite supportive when it is one of yours being persecuted and imprisoned. Be careful what you wish for - you just made your own future beds. And you've made politics even worse than it ever was before. And you are too blinded by your lust for someone to hang to see that. The reason for the investigation was the leak by Armitage. You demanded – and got – your witch hunt. Now you can expect to deal with the exact same thing in the future. You demand fairness and no coddling of criminals. But the President of the United States was convicted of perjury.

And lost his license to practice law.

You think it’s right for Libby to go to jail for 30 months? For supposedly lying in an investigation that should have stopped at Armitage. Because Fitzgerald found the leaker that precipitated the investigation – and it should have stopped there. You’re convinced it was deeper than that, therefore witch hunting is a good thing.

I’m sure you’ll be quite supportive when it is one of yours being persecuted and imprisoned. Be careful what you wish for – you just made your own future beds. And you’ve made politics even worse than it ever was before. And you are too blinded by your lust for someone to hang to see that.

]]> By: Former Republican http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/comment-page-1/#comment-61684 Former Republican Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:24:53 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/#comment-61684 Your logic baffles me. Fitzgerald knew from the start that Armitage was a leaker, so he shouldn't have kept looking for other leaks, maybe earlier ones, maybe by people who knew Valerie Plame was covert? Suppose Armitage was the only leaker. Therefore it's okay for Libby to commit perjury? And Fitzgerald conducted a "political persecution"? I hadn't realized he was a Democrat. What makes you think I would object to prosecution for perjury of someone just because he shares my political opinions? I don't think I would, especially if he got convicted. What amuses me here is how so-called conservatives are such bleeding hearts about this particular criminal. If people break the law, they should suffer the consequences. Your logic baffles me. Fitzgerald knew from the start that Armitage was a leaker, so he shouldn’t have kept looking for other leaks, maybe earlier ones, maybe by people who knew Valerie Plame was covert?

Suppose Armitage was the only leaker. Therefore it’s okay for Libby to commit perjury?

And Fitzgerald conducted a “political persecution”? I hadn’t realized he was a Democrat.

What makes you think I would object to prosecution for perjury of someone just because he shares my political opinions? I don’t think I would, especially if he got convicted.

What amuses me here is how so-called conservatives are such bleeding hearts about this particular criminal. If people break the law, they should suffer the consequences.

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/comment-page-1/#comment-61643 Gaius Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:42:29 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/#comment-61643 Fitzgerald knew that Armitage was the leaker almost from the start. The rest was witch hunt. Do not scream about it being unfair when one of yours gets the same railroading - this precedent will lead to more political persecutions. Fitzgerald knew that Armitage was the leaker almost from the start. The rest was witch hunt. Do not scream about it being unfair when one of yours gets the same railroading – this precedent will lead to more political persecutions.

]]> By: Former Republican http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/comment-page-1/#comment-61639 Former Republican Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:04:43 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/#comment-61639 Libby didn't just lie to "a Federal official." He lied to a grand jury. And it wasn't just "a Federal official" who decided he lied. Twelve members of a jury agreed. Libby had high-priced lawyers and the full panoply of legal protection and got convicted because the jury was convinced beyond reasonable doubt that he committed several crimes. Perjury is a crime. You claim there was no underlying crime. Maybe so, maybe not. Fitzgerald says Libby frustrated the investigation. Suppose there was in fact no underlying crime. Is it okay to commit perjury in a civil suit, where there's no underlying crime? Is it okay to commit perjury in testifying to Congress? My gosh, conservatives are supposed to believe in moral standards and the rule of law. The Ten Commandments say that lying is wrong, and perjury is a crime that goes straight to the core of the rule of law. It was wrong when Alger Hiss did it, it was wrong when Clinton did it, and it was wrong when Libby did it. I don't believe in coddling criminals. Libby didn’t just lie to “a Federal official.” He lied to a grand jury. And it wasn’t just “a Federal official” who decided he lied. Twelve members of a jury agreed. Libby had high-priced lawyers and the full panoply of legal protection and got convicted because the jury was convinced beyond reasonable doubt that he committed several crimes.

Perjury is a crime. You claim there was no underlying crime. Maybe so, maybe not. Fitzgerald says Libby frustrated the investigation. Suppose there was in fact no underlying crime. Is it okay to commit perjury in a civil suit, where there’s no underlying crime? Is it okay to commit perjury in testifying to Congress? My gosh, conservatives are supposed to believe in moral standards and the rule of law. The Ten Commandments say that lying is wrong, and perjury is a crime that goes straight to the core of the rule of law. It was wrong when Alger Hiss did it, it was wrong when Clinton did it, and it was wrong when Libby did it. I don’t believe in coddling criminals.

]]> By: Chris http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/comment-page-1/#comment-61629 Chris Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:28:21 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/06/19/runaway-train/#comment-61629 Unfortunately, the ones who should be paying attention to this warning won't be, because, since their motives are pure, they can never be wrong, therefore the government would never go after them. Only conservatives lie, you know. Unfortunately, the ones who should be paying attention to this warning won’t be, because, since their motives are pure, they can never be wrong, therefore the government would never go after them.

Only conservatives lie, you know.

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