Comments on: The Vegetables Will Have The Beef http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/11/09/the-vegetables-will-have-the-beef/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:41:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/11/09/the-vegetables-will-have-the-beef/comment-page-1/#comment-70851 Gaius Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:12:16 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/11/09/the-vegetables-will-have-the-beef/#comment-70851 Ever done any public speaking, Cernig? It's pretty common to start a talk off with a humorous anecdote - not necessarily dealing directly with the matter being discussed. Sometimes it is used to introduce (as Noonan is) one general point, in this case the idea of Thatcher's toughness. But by dwelling on this you do manage to avoid her main points. Ever done any public speaking, Cernig? It’s pretty common to start a talk off with a humorous anecdote – not necessarily dealing directly with the matter being discussed. Sometimes it is used to introduce (as Noonan is) one general point, in this case the idea of Thatcher’s toughness.

But by dwelling on this you do manage to avoid her main points.

]]> By: Cernig http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/11/09/the-vegetables-will-have-the-beef/comment-page-1/#comment-70848 Cernig Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:54:17 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/11/09/the-vegetables-will-have-the-beef/#comment-70848 Gauis, I watched the sketch in question. You can too :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33YUALnF3JY If the anecdote isn't central to Noonan's point, why is it her lede? Regards, C Gauis, I watched the sketch in question. You can too :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33YUALnF3JY

If the anecdote isn’t central to Noonan’s point, why is it her lede?

Regards, C

]]> By: Gaius http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/11/09/the-vegetables-will-have-the-beef/comment-page-1/#comment-70845 Gaius Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:32:25 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/11/09/the-vegetables-will-have-the-beef/#comment-70845 Cernig, aside from your claim that this is so, it appears to have been written in a book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/10-Downing-Street-Illustrated-History/dp/0004140737 I didn't spend much time looking, but I did not find a reference to that coming from Spitting Image. It's beside the point in any case. The anecdote is not central to Noonan's point - nor to mine. Cernig, aside from your claim that this is so, it appears to have been written in a book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/10-Downing-Street-Illustrated-History/dp/0004140737

I didn’t spend much time looking, but I did not find a reference to that coming from Spitting Image. It’s beside the point in any case. The anecdote is not central to Noonan’s point – nor to mine.

]]> By: Cernig http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/11/09/the-vegetables-will-have-the-beef/comment-page-1/#comment-70844 Cernig Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:13:43 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/11/09/the-vegetables-will-have-the-beef/#comment-70844 Gaius, The story is actually a sketch from the satirical political comedy show "Spitting Image". The show used latex puppets to poke fun at political events and celebrity figures. The sketch in question, along with others which showed Thatcher domianting her cabinet, was aired shortly before the Conservative party decided not to back Thatcher for a new term of leadership. In the UK, the show was widely credited with making it impossible - at the risk of confirming the show's allegations of being Thatcher's lickspittles - for senior party figures to back her. http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/S/htmlS/spittingimag/spittingimag.htm It was maybe too good to check - but it's a very easy one to check should someone be inclined to. Just ask any Briton alive now who was aged over 16 in the 80's. Regards, C Gaius,

The story is actually a sketch from the satirical political comedy show “Spitting Image”. The show used latex puppets to poke fun at political events and celebrity figures. The sketch in question, along with others which showed Thatcher domianting her cabinet, was aired shortly before the Conservative party decided not to back Thatcher for a new term of leadership. In the UK, the show was widely credited with making it impossible – at the risk of confirming the show’s allegations of being Thatcher’s lickspittles – for senior party figures to back her.

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/S/htmlS/spittingimag/spittingimag.htm

It was maybe too good to check – but it’s a very easy one to check should someone be inclined to. Just ask any Briton alive now who was aged over 16 in the 80′s.

Regards, C

]]> By: Anthony (Los Angeles) http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/11/09/the-vegetables-will-have-the-beef/comment-page-1/#comment-70842 Anthony (Los Angeles) Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:56:08 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/11/09/the-vegetables-will-have-the-beef/#comment-70842 Britain could use another Thatcher right about now. Britain could use another Thatcher right about now.

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