Nightfall In Britain

Here's a news item coming out of Britain that should shock and appall everyone, regardless of political affiliation. The Archbishop of Canterbury is calling the imposition of Sharia law on Britain "unavoidable ." His "reasoning", such as it is should outrage you.

The Archbishop of Canterbury says the adoption of certain aspects of Sharia law in the UK "seems unavoidable".

Dr Rowan Williams told Radio 4's World at One that the UK has to "face up to the fact" that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system.

Dr Williams argues that adopting parts of Islamic Sharia law would help maintain social cohesion.

For example, Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court.

He says Muslims should not have to choose between "the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty".

In an exclusive interview with BBC correspondent Christopher Landau, ahead of a lecture to lawyers in London later on Monday, Dr Williams argues this relies on Sharia law being better understood. At the moment, he says "sensational reporting of opinion polls" clouds the issue.

He stresses that "nobody in their right mind would want to see in this country the kind of inhumanity that's sometimes been associated with the practice of the law in some Islamic states; the extreme punishments, the attitudes to women as well".

But Dr Williams says the argument that "there's one law for everybody… I think that's a bit of a danger".

The concept that one law applies to everyone is dangerous? A concept that people have campaigned for for centuries needs to be thrown away and a religious law imposed?  That quaint little ideal of equal treatment is now outmoded?

Only to the likes of the Archbishop of Culture Buried. Williams has been a source of major stupidity before, but this takes some sort of prize.  Not a good prize, either.

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16 Responses to Nightfall In Britain

  1. bill-tb says:

    Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.

  2. Lars Walker says:

    A Viking said it in Iceland 1000 years ago, when they decided to adopt Christian law even though all the Icelanders weren’t yet Christians — “If the law is broken, the peace is broken.”

  3. RogerC says:

    Unbelievable. I guess the British no longer wish to exist as a nation. The acceptance and imposition of Sharia Law are exactly what the Islamists have wanted, and are trying to do everywhere.

    I thank God I am American. At least most of our citizens will not roll over and allow barbarians to take over. Though I will grant you the Liberals have pretty much mucked things up for the past forty years.

    In any event, the ludicrous conclusion the Archbishop has come to is not only fallacious, but suicidal.

  4. Damien says:

    How often does the Archbishop of Canterbury have to say outlandish garbage like this before he gets sacked? The guy’s an embarrassment to the church, and embarrassment to the nation, and obviously deluded in thinking Sharia law is in any way civilized. And the whole problem of Muslims facing “the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty”?

    Well… there’s always the option of not immigrating into a nation that doesn’t want your culture. But then in the Middle East there isn’t a dividing line between state and religion, so I suppose they have a hard time coming to grips with the fact they’re not allowed to have a theocracy any more…

  5. terrence says:

    The Archbishop of Cowardice, Dr Rowan Williams, is a sniveling coward, and a disgusting example of dhimmitude at its worst. The Archbishop of Cowardice’s ridiculous appeasement of murdering thugs (aka Islam), makes the Church of England even more of a laughing stock than it was before he made his remarkably stupid comment.

    I am embarrassed to have been confirmed into the Anglican Church of Canada; but this was back when it and the Church of England (which Williams so poorly represents) were actually Christian churches.

    BTW, I no longer attend the ACofC, which has degenerated into being a mostly very left-wing political organization. (The ACofC is an affiliate of the CofE; as is the Episcopalian Church in the USA.)

  6. martian says:

    The ravings of a lunatic………………….

  7. RA says:

    If they don’t agree with the laws, why don’t they leave this terrible country and go to a much better place like Iran or Saudi Arabia.

    The west MUST stop letting Muslims immigrate until they demonstrate control over their intolerant murderous tendencies.

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  11. Gary Gulrud says:

    The British are by now beyond parody. Like sheep in a pasture with broken down fences, they’ve nibbled their way far afield and have no whiff of the imminent danger. Just last month they were being told they were about to pass the US by in their ‘quality of life’. No doubt for most it brought nary a wrinkle to the brow.
    At the same time they were told to quit filling the queues and to heal their own minor illnesses.

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  13. Guys, please, try to keep some perspective. Yes, Islam is a problem, no doubt about it (I am a well know baiter of intolerant Islam myself), but the sky is not falling and they are weak culturally and economically. The UK is very secular (which is fine by me) but the fastest growing religion here is not Islam, it is Catholicism.

    Why? Because the largest immigrant group is (by a HUGE margin) people from Poland, Slovakia, Czech Rep and Hungary. Far from being overrun by the evil horde from Mecca, we are filling up with skilled Eastern European Christians who are for most part skilled, have pretty good English, go straight into jobs, integrate rapidly (almost everyone I know has an Eastern European bf/gf/spouse, including me) and they are a case study of how the right sort of immigration is a very good thing indeed

    In fact is the UK is soooo secular that it really does not matter a damn what the Arch-Dhimmi of Canterbury says. Islam is much weaker that you seem to think.

  14. daveinboca says:

    PM Brown should ask the Queen to fire this clown. No wonder Tony Blair and thousands of other Anglicans are converting to Catholicism, a real religion which stands for something besides wooly-headed kumbayeh silliness.

  15. mmmHobNobs says:

    Before you start playing Taps for the UK, read what the reaction has been (from the BBC):

    “But Gordon Brown’s spokesman said the prime minister “believes that British laws should be based on British values”.

    He added that Mr Brown had a good relationship with the archbishop, who was perfectly entitled to express his views.

    Home Office Minister Tony McNulty said: “To ask us to fundamentally change the rule of law and to adopt Sharia law, I think, is fundamentally wrong.”

    Shadow community cohesion minister Baroness Warsi told BBC News 24 the suggestion was unhelpful and said: “Dr Williams seems to be suggesting that there should be two systems of law, running alongside each other, almost parallel, and for people to be offered the choice of opting into one or the other. That is unacceptable.”

    Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said he had “an enormous amount of respect” for Dr Williams, but could not agree with him on this issue.
    He said: “Equality before the law is part of the glue that binds our society together. We cannot have a situation where there is one law for one person and different laws for another.”

    Trevor Phillips, who chairs the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said the “implication that British courts should treat people differently based on their faith is divisive and dangerous”. ”

    PLUS – even a Muslim MP has all but called Williams a wacko – (from the Telegraph) “Khalid Mahmood, the Muslim Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, said: “This is very misguided. There is no half-way house with this.

    “What part of sharia law does he want? The sort that is practised in Saudi Arabia, which they are struggling to get away from?

    “Muslims do not need special treatment or to be specially singled out. This would not contribute to community cohesion.”

    This is just Williams going off the deep-end again … most CofE-ers here want him replaced.

  16. ME says:

    Luckily we here in the US have a firmly established separation of church and state.

    Odd that those who are most concerned about the rise of a Caliphate tend to also deny the separation of church and state in our own country.

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