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		<title>By: ME</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/02/07/nightfall-in-britain-2/comment-page-1/#comment-75120</link>
		<dc:creator>ME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luckily we here in the US have a firmly established separation of church and state.

Odd that those who are most concerned about the rise of a Caliphate tend to also  deny the separation of church and state in our own country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luckily we here in the US have a firmly established separation of church and state.</p>
<p>Odd that those who are most concerned about the rise of a Caliphate tend to also  deny the separation of church and state in our own country.</p>
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		<title>By: mmmHobNobs</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/02/07/nightfall-in-britain-2/comment-page-1/#comment-75108</link>
		<dc:creator>mmmHobNobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before you start playing Taps for the UK, read what the reaction has been (from the BBC):

&quot;But Gordon Brown&#039;s spokesman said the prime minister &quot;believes that British laws should be based on British values&quot;. 

He added that Mr Brown had a good relationship with the archbishop, who was perfectly entitled to express his views. 

Home Office Minister Tony McNulty said: &quot;To ask us to fundamentally change the rule of law and to adopt Sharia law, I think, is fundamentally wrong.&quot; 

Shadow community cohesion minister Baroness Warsi told BBC News 24 the suggestion was unhelpful and said: &quot;Dr Williams seems to be suggesting that there should be two systems of law, running alongside each other, almost parallel, and for people to be offered the choice of opting into one or the other. That is unacceptable.&quot; 

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said he had &quot;an enormous amount of respect&quot; for Dr Williams, but could not agree with him on this issue. 
He said: &quot;Equality before the law is part of the glue that binds our society together. We cannot have a situation where there is one law for one person and different laws for another.&quot; 

Trevor Phillips, who chairs the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said the &quot;implication that British courts should treat people differently based on their faith is divisive and dangerous&quot;. &quot;

PLUS - even a Muslim MP has all but called Williams a wacko - (from the Telegraph) &quot;Khalid Mahmood, the Muslim Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, said: &quot;This is very misguided. There is no half-way house with this.

&quot;What part of sharia law does he want? The sort that is practised in Saudi Arabia, which they are struggling to get away from?

&quot;Muslims do not need special treatment or to be specially singled out. This would not contribute to community cohesion.&quot;

This is just Williams going off the deep-end again ... most CofE-ers here want him replaced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before you start playing Taps for the UK, read what the reaction has been (from the BBC):</p>
<p>&#8220;But Gordon Brown&#8217;s spokesman said the prime minister &#8220;believes that British laws should be based on British values&#8221;. </p>
<p>He added that Mr Brown had a good relationship with the archbishop, who was perfectly entitled to express his views. </p>
<p>Home Office Minister Tony McNulty said: &#8220;To ask us to fundamentally change the rule of law and to adopt Sharia law, I think, is fundamentally wrong.&#8221; </p>
<p>Shadow community cohesion minister Baroness Warsi told BBC News 24 the suggestion was unhelpful and said: &#8220;Dr Williams seems to be suggesting that there should be two systems of law, running alongside each other, almost parallel, and for people to be offered the choice of opting into one or the other. That is unacceptable.&#8221; </p>
<p>Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said he had &#8220;an enormous amount of respect&#8221; for Dr Williams, but could not agree with him on this issue.<br />
He said: &#8220;Equality before the law is part of the glue that binds our society together. We cannot have a situation where there is one law for one person and different laws for another.&#8221; </p>
<p>Trevor Phillips, who chairs the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said the &#8220;implication that British courts should treat people differently based on their faith is divisive and dangerous&#8221;. &#8221;</p>
<p>PLUS &#8211; even a Muslim MP has all but called Williams a wacko &#8211; (from the Telegraph) &#8220;Khalid Mahmood, the Muslim Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, said: &#8220;This is very misguided. There is no half-way house with this.</p>
<p>&#8220;What part of sharia law does he want? The sort that is practised in Saudi Arabia, which they are struggling to get away from?</p>
<p>&#8220;Muslims do not need special treatment or to be specially singled out. This would not contribute to community cohesion.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is just Williams going off the deep-end again &#8230; most CofE-ers here want him replaced.</p>
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		<title>By: daveinboca</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/02/07/nightfall-in-britain-2/comment-page-1/#comment-75102</link>
		<dc:creator>daveinboca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PM Brown should ask the Queen to fire this clown.  No wonder Tony Blair and thousands of other Anglicans are converting to Catholicism, a real religion which stands for something besides wooly-headed kumbayeh silliness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PM Brown should ask the Queen to fire this clown.  No wonder Tony Blair and thousands of other Anglicans are converting to Catholicism, a real religion which stands for something besides wooly-headed kumbayeh silliness.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry de Havilland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry de Havilland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, please, try to keep some perspective.  Yes, Islam is a problem, no doubt about it (I am a well know baiter of intolerant Islam myself), but the sky is not falling and they are weak culturally and economically. The UK is very secular (which is fine by me) but the fastest growing religion here is not Islam, it is Catholicism.

Why? Because the largest immigrant group is (by a HUGE margin) people from Poland, Slovakia, Czech Rep and Hungary.  Far from being overrun by the evil horde from Mecca, we are filling up with skilled Eastern European Christians who are for most part skilled, have pretty good English, go straight into jobs, integrate rapidly (almost everyone I know has an Eastern European bf/gf/spouse, including me) and they are a case study of how the right sort of immigration is a very good thing indeed

In fact is the UK is soooo secular that it really does not matter a damn what the Arch-Dhimmi of Canterbury says. Islam is much weaker that you seem to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, please, try to keep some perspective.  Yes, Islam is a problem, no doubt about it (I am a well know baiter of intolerant Islam myself), but the sky is not falling and they are weak culturally and economically. The UK is very secular (which is fine by me) but the fastest growing religion here is not Islam, it is Catholicism.</p>
<p>Why? Because the largest immigrant group is (by a HUGE margin) people from Poland, Slovakia, Czech Rep and Hungary.  Far from being overrun by the evil horde from Mecca, we are filling up with skilled Eastern European Christians who are for most part skilled, have pretty good English, go straight into jobs, integrate rapidly (almost everyone I know has an Eastern European bf/gf/spouse, including me) and they are a case study of how the right sort of immigration is a very good thing indeed</p>
<p>In fact is the UK is soooo secular that it really does not matter a damn what the Arch-Dhimmi of Canterbury says. Islam is much weaker that you seem to think.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Crab Boulevard &#187; Gordon Brown Slaps Sharia Law In Britain</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/02/07/nightfall-in-britain-2/comment-page-1/#comment-75098</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Crab Boulevard &#187; Gordon Brown Slaps Sharia Law In Britain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who I have referred to as the Archbishop of Culture Buried,&#160; will be remembered as the most misguided person ever to have held the office. He appears to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/02/07/nightfall-in-britain-2/comment-page-1/#comment-75091</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Gulrud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The British are by now beyond parody.  Like sheep in a pasture with broken down fences, they&#039;ve nibbled their way far afield and have no whiff of the imminent danger.  Just last month they were being told they were about to pass the US by in their &#039;quality of life&#039;.   No doubt for most it brought nary a wrinkle to the brow.
At the same time they were told to quit filling the queues and to heal their own minor illnesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British are by now beyond parody.  Like sheep in a pasture with broken down fences, they&#8217;ve nibbled their way far afield and have no whiff of the imminent danger.  Just last month they were being told they were about to pass the US by in their &#8216;quality of life&#8217;.   No doubt for most it brought nary a wrinkle to the brow.<br />
At the same time they were told to quit filling the queues and to heal their own minor illnesses.</p>
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		<title>By: PoliGazette &#187; Saudi Thought Police Bust Mom in Starbucks</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/02/07/nightfall-in-britain-2/comment-page-1/#comment-75088</link>
		<dc:creator>PoliGazette &#187; Saudi Thought Police Bust Mom in Starbucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about enforcing that is, according to the Archbishop of Canterbury (&#8221;Culture Buried&#8221;, per Gaius) says is inevitable in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Black Shards, In Your Eyes, Blinding &#187; Saudi Thought Police Bust Mom in Starbucks</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/02/07/nightfall-in-britain-2/comment-page-1/#comment-75087</link>
		<dc:creator>Black Shards, In Your Eyes, Blinding &#187; Saudi Thought Police Bust Mom in Starbucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about enforcing that is, according to the Archbishop of Canterbury (&quot;Culture Buried&quot;, per Gaius) says is inevitable in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cold Fury &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Disgrace and dishonor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cold Fury &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Disgrace and dishonor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is appalled, and that&#8217;s for sure the mot juste: The Archbishop of Canterbury says the adoption of certain [...]</description>
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		<title>By: RA</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/02/07/nightfall-in-britain-2/comment-page-1/#comment-75074</link>
		<dc:creator>RA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they don&#039;t agree with the laws, why don&#039;t they leave this terrible country and go to a much better place like Iran or Saudi Arabia.

The west MUST stop letting Muslims immigrate until they demonstrate control over their intolerant murderous tendencies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they don&#8217;t agree with the laws, why don&#8217;t they leave this terrible country and go to a much better place like Iran or Saudi Arabia.</p>
<p>The west MUST stop letting Muslims immigrate until they demonstrate control over their intolerant murderous tendencies.</p>
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		<title>By: martian</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/02/07/nightfall-in-britain-2/comment-page-1/#comment-75071</link>
		<dc:creator>martian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ravings of a lunatic......................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ravings of a lunatic&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: terrence</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/02/07/nightfall-in-britain-2/comment-page-1/#comment-75061</link>
		<dc:creator>terrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Archbishop of Cowardice, Dr Rowan Williams, is a sniveling coward, and a disgusting example of dhimmitude at its worst. The Archbishop of Cowardice’s ridiculous appeasement of murdering thugs (aka Islam), makes the Church of England even more of a laughing stock than it was before he made his remarkably stupid comment.      
 
I am embarrassed to have been confirmed into the Anglican Church of Canada; but this was back when it and the Church of England (which Williams so poorly represents) were actually Christian churches. 

BTW, I no longer attend the ACofC, which has degenerated into being a mostly very left-wing political organization.   (The ACofC is an affiliate of the CofE; as is the Episcopalian Church in the USA.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Archbishop of Cowardice, Dr Rowan Williams, is a sniveling coward, and a disgusting example of dhimmitude at its worst. The Archbishop of Cowardice’s ridiculous appeasement of murdering thugs (aka Islam), makes the Church of England even more of a laughing stock than it was before he made his remarkably stupid comment.      </p>
<p>I am embarrassed to have been confirmed into the Anglican Church of Canada; but this was back when it and the Church of England (which Williams so poorly represents) were actually Christian churches. </p>
<p>BTW, I no longer attend the ACofC, which has degenerated into being a mostly very left-wing political organization.   (The ACofC is an affiliate of the CofE; as is the Episcopalian Church in the USA.)</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/02/07/nightfall-in-britain-2/comment-page-1/#comment-75060</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How often does the Archbishop of Canterbury have to say outlandish garbage like this before he gets sacked?  The guy&#039;s an embarrassment to the church, and embarrassment to the nation, and obviously deluded in thinking Sharia law is in any way civilized.  And the whole problem of Muslims facing &quot;the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty&quot;?  

Well... there&#039;s always the option of not immigrating into a nation that doesn&#039;t want your culture.  But then in the Middle East there isn&#039;t a dividing line between state and religion, so I suppose they have a hard time coming to grips with the fact they&#039;re not allowed to have a theocracy any more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How often does the Archbishop of Canterbury have to say outlandish garbage like this before he gets sacked?  The guy&#8217;s an embarrassment to the church, and embarrassment to the nation, and obviously deluded in thinking Sharia law is in any way civilized.  And the whole problem of Muslims facing &#8220;the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Well&#8230; there&#8217;s always the option of not immigrating into a nation that doesn&#8217;t want your culture.  But then in the Middle East there isn&#8217;t a dividing line between state and religion, so I suppose they have a hard time coming to grips with the fact they&#8217;re not allowed to have a theocracy any more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RogerC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RogerC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelievable. I guess the British no longer wish to exist as a nation. The acceptance and imposition of Sharia Law are exactly what the Islamists have wanted, and are trying to do everywhere.

I thank God I am American. At least most of our citizens will not roll over and allow barbarians to take over. Though I will grant you the Liberals have pretty much mucked things up for the past forty years.

In any event, the ludicrous conclusion the Archbishop has come to is not only fallacious, but suicidal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable. I guess the British no longer wish to exist as a nation. The acceptance and imposition of Sharia Law are exactly what the Islamists have wanted, and are trying to do everywhere.</p>
<p>I thank God I am American. At least most of our citizens will not roll over and allow barbarians to take over. Though I will grant you the Liberals have pretty much mucked things up for the past forty years.</p>
<p>In any event, the ludicrous conclusion the Archbishop has come to is not only fallacious, but suicidal.</p>
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		<title>By: Lars Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lars Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Viking said it in Iceland 1000 years ago, when they decided to adopt Christian law even though all the Icelanders weren&#039;t yet Christians -- &quot;If the law is broken, the peace is broken.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Viking said it in Iceland 1000 years ago, when they decided to adopt Christian law even though all the Icelanders weren&#8217;t yet Christians &#8212; &#8220;If the law is broken, the peace is broken.&#8221;</p>
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