Comments on: The Big Speech http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/ Summum nec metuas diem, nec optes - Marcus Valerius Martialis Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:27:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: martian http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-76958 martian Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:53:45 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/#comment-76958 PBurns, you are missing a few points about Obama. When his parents were together, the family lived in Hawaii - one of the least segregated places in the US. When he moved to the mainland he lived in northern states and in middle class neighborhoods.  He never lived in the south and never experienced southern style segregation. But you go right ahead and keep apologizing for him. To those for whom he is the new messiah, he is perfect and can do no wrong. PBurns, you are missing a few points about Obama. When his parents were together, the family lived in Hawaii – one of the least segregated places in the US. When he moved to the mainland he lived in northern states and in middle class neighborhoods.  He never lived in the south and never experienced southern style segregation. But you go right ahead and keep apologizing for him. To those for whom he is the new messiah, he is perfect and can do no wrong.

]]> By: PBurns http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-76919 PBurns Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:19:53 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/#comment-76919 <strong>Great  web posts as always.  Two small bits</strong>: <strong>Obama did not hear Wright give the sermons that are the objects of contention</strong>.  He has heard him say things with which he disagreed.  The difference is clear, I think.| <strong>American schools in the South were not intergrated as late as 1970</strong>.  I know -- I live in Virginia.  I have to say that it's always been a bit amusing for me to hear New Yorkers think they know America, especially as it relates to race issues.  Here's a way to think about it:  When Barack Obama was born, his mother and father could not have been legally married (or live together) in half the states of this country.  In my home state of Virginia, they took this issue to the Supreme Court, which decided it in 1968 (Loving v Virginia). <strong>Getting better churched would not hurt anyone in this country.</strong>  If people knew more, they would recognize that Jeremiah Wright was giving a very old and very normal kind of sermon, which is called a <em>jeremiad -- </em>a term derived from the prophet Jeremiah and a reference to the book of the same name to be found in the Bible.  Our country was founded on a Puritan church in which jeremiads were heard every Sunday.  See >> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiad" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiad</a> for a fuller explanation. Patrick Great  web posts as always.  Two small bits:

Obama did not hear Wright give the sermons that are the objects of contention.  He has heard him say things with which he disagreed.  The difference is clear, I think.|
American schools in the South were not intergrated as late as 1970.  I know — I live in Virginia.  I have to say that it’s always been a bit amusing for me to hear New Yorkers think they know America, especially as it relates to race issues.  Here’s a way to think about it:  When Barack Obama was born, his mother and father could not have been legally married (or live together) in half the states of this country.  In my home state of Virginia, they took this issue to the Supreme Court, which decided it in 1968 (Loving v Virginia).
Getting better churched would not hurt anyone in this country.  If people knew more, they would recognize that Jeremiah Wright was giving a very old and very normal kind of sermon, which is called a jeremiad — a term derived from the prophet Jeremiah and a reference to the book of the same name to be found in the Bible.  Our country was founded on a Puritan church in which jeremiads were heard every Sunday.  See >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiad for a fuller explanation.

Patrick

]]> By: martian http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-76903 martian Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:01:10 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/#comment-76903 The simple fact of the matter is that Obama has shown himself to be an outright liar - as much so as Bill Clinton and his "I did not have sex with that woman!"   As for Gaius' statement, having grown up in the same neighborhood and attended the same schools I can testify as to its truth. As a matter of fact when the race riots hit in the mid-sixties I had a very hard time as a child understanding what all the fuss was about because I just didn't see the existence of the problem. In our neighborhood blacks and whites lived next door to each other, attended schools together, sat next to each other on the buses, ate in the same restaurants and worked at the same companies. My father was one of the biggest bigots I have ever known but he was an equal opportunity bigot - he hated <strong>everyone</strong> who was not of German Christian  ancestory so his not liking blacks didn't make that big an impression. The simple fact of the matter is that Obama has shown himself to be an outright liar – as much so as Bill Clinton and his "I did not have sex with that woman!"
 
As for Gaius’ statement, having grown up in the same neighborhood and attended the same schools I can testify as to its truth. As a matter of fact when the race riots hit in the mid-sixties I had a very hard time as a child understanding what all the fuss was about because I just didn’t see the existence of the problem. In our neighborhood blacks and whites lived next door to each other, attended schools together, sat next to each other on the buses, ate in the same restaurants and worked at the same companies. My father was one of the biggest bigots I have ever known but he was an equal opportunity bigot – he hated everyone who was not of German Christian  ancestory so his not liking blacks didn’t make that big an impression.

]]> By: Neo http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-76898 Neo Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:52:05 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/#comment-76898 Come on now .. Barack Obama has expanded our universe.By his example, there is now the “<em>Obama-Wright escape</em>” clause for those embarrassing situations where you can now say .. “<strong>I can no more likely renounce him/her than Obama could renounce Rev. Wright.</strong>”Wow. Doesn’t that make the world a better place ?Or .. <strong>I would like to invoke my “Obama-Wright escape” clause rights.</strong>Ranks right up there with the 5th amendment and has the Constitutional feel.Example: <strong>Robert Byrd could no more likely renounce his involvement with the KKK than Obama could renounce Rev. Wright.</strong>Yeah. That feels right, doesn’t it ?Perhaps we should all automatically consider this repsonse the next time we consider demanding a repudiation of someone. Come on now .. Barack Obama has expanded our universe.By his example, there is now the “<em>Obama-Wright escape</em>” clause for those embarrassing situations where you can now say .. “<strong>I can no more likely renounce him/her than Obama could renounce Rev. Wright.</strong>”Wow. Doesn’t that make the world a better place ?Or .. <strong>I would like to invoke my “Obama-Wright escape” clause rights.</strong>Ranks right up there with the 5th amendment and has the Constitutional feel.Example: <strong>Robert Byrd could no more likely renounce his involvement with the KKK than Obama could renounce Rev. Wright.</strong>Yeah. That feels right, doesn’t it ?Perhaps we should all automatically consider this repsonse the next time we consider demanding a repudiation of someone.

]]> By: Bithead http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-76892 Bithead Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:30:37 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/#comment-76892 I'd forgotten that about you. Giaus.I'm a few miles west of there, myself. I’d forgotten that about you. Giaus.I’m a few miles west of there, myself.

]]> By: Maggie http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-76891 Maggie Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:19:01 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/#comment-76891 Powerline says Obama's white grandmother, whom he threw under the bus in his speech today, was there with him ... Powerline says Obama’s white grandmother, whom he threw under the bus in his speech today, was there with him …

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]]> By: MikeO http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-76881 MikeO Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:40:14 +0000 http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/03/18/the-big-speech/#comment-76881 I've read the speech twice.  The second time through, I left aside all that I know of the events that necessitated this speech.  The speech is a laundry list of why everyone other than the greedy rich is entitled to feel like a victim within an identity group.  The prescription Obama has for the enumerated ills (offshored jobs, no health insurance, crumbling schools, etc.) is for us to unite in victimhood and pull the lever for Obama so that he can provide justice for our grievances against our greedy rich oppressors. I’ve read the speech twice.  The second time through, I left aside all that I know of the events that necessitated this speech.  The speech is a laundry list of why everyone other than the greedy rich is entitled to feel like a victim within an identity group.  The prescription Obama has for the enumerated ills (offshored jobs, no health insurance, crumbling schools, etc.) is for us to unite in victimhood and pull the lever for Obama so that he can provide justice for our grievances against our greedy rich oppressors.

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