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By: Rich Horton

Rich Horton — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:04:33 +0000

Sam,My wife made the same point, but even if you read it that way it amounts to the same thing. Even if you read it as sin being deviation from Obama’s "ideal values" (which we have trouble living up to on account of being human), he is still emphasizing their connect to his own person. Let’s say he WAS able to live up to the ideal standards he holds for himself, who is to say that is anything worthwhile attaining? Maybe he sets a real low standard for himself. He hasn’t given any indication that he is comparing his ideal to any standard outside of himself…and its a pretty wide ranging interview I linked to, even if I snipped only selections.

By: sam

sam — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:24:32 +0000

I can’t tell from the interview snip that you posted whether Obama is making that comment in reference to himself only, or in reference to everyone. For instance, since I hold Christian values as my standard of conduct, if I do something against those values then I am sinning. In that context, what he says makes sense. If on the other hand, he is saying that sin, in general, by anyone and everyone, is being out of alignment with his values, then he comes across as a arrogant messiah figure. Hard for me to tell from this.

By: Texan99

Texan99 — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:17:00 +0000

But this is a completely commonplace definition of “sin.” Among people who even recognize the concept of sin at all, there are basically two camps. One believes each person is the source of his own moral values, and the values are likely to be different for each person, such that there’s no real basis for preferring one over another. The other believes that there is an overarching standard emanating from some force greater than oneself, and possibly greater than all humans put together.

In your ordinary life, how often do you really run across people in the second camp? It’s becoming old-fashioned. It’s virtually non-existent in academia. Moral relativism is rampant. It breaks down fast, though, when the moral relativist in question suffers an outrage at the hands of another human being: suddenly there’s a universal standard that everyone should live up to.

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justbarkingmad.com » Blog Archive » More than The Messiah? — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:09:31 +0000

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By: Quilly Mammoth

Quilly Mammoth — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:55:27 +0000

Christians believe that God changed the rules on sin when he sent his Son to die. What many Christians call "a new Covenant". Does this mean that Obama is setting himself up as _more_ than a messiah?

By: Rich Horton

Rich Horton — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:44:06 +0000

I know….I mean how long have we (among others) been pushing the Obamessiah thing? A few months now?? It isn’t as if we knew about this interview from 2004 beforehand. The truth is there is something there….we are not just being bitchy.

By: bill-tb

bill-tb — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:57:30 +0000

LOL — The moo-Saih sure knows how to spin the sin. Shows he is rooted in a clear set of principles, did he say what who was on the revision signoff?

By: Mockinbird

Mockinbird — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:46:50 +0000

Well, G*ddamma, Obama!

By: Bithead

Bithead — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:19:31 +0000

That onl works, Barack, f you’re setting yourself up as God.

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Obama is God…. or, so he supposes | BitsBlog — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:38:14 +0000

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