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		<title>By: Anwyn&#8217;s Notes in the Margin &#187; Don&#8217;t Fall For It</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87337</link>
		<dc:creator>Anwyn&#8217;s Notes in the Margin &#187; Don&#8217;t Fall For It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So now that it looks like the public &#8220;option&#8221; is dying, those of us who want the government to stay out of our purchasing and consumption of medical treatment can breathe a sigh of relief, right? Don&#8217;t believe it. They will next try to pass some watered-down piece of garbage that is still garbage, probably at the very least to include mandated health insurance. And doesn&#8217;t that look like fun? And if they pass that and it&#8217;s a boondoggle, they&#8217;ll point to it to say &#8220;See! That&#8217;s why we need the government to run it!&#8221; The camel&#8217;s nose under the tent. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So now that it looks like the public &#8220;option&#8221; is dying, those of us who want the government to stay out of our purchasing and consumption of medical treatment can breathe a sigh of relief, right? Don&#8217;t believe it. They will next try to pass some watered-down piece of garbage that is still garbage, probably at the very least to include mandated health insurance. And doesn&#8217;t that look like fun? And if they pass that and it&#8217;s a boondoggle, they&#8217;ll point to it to say &#8220;See! That&#8217;s why we need the government to run it!&#8221; The camel&#8217;s nose under the tent. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Quilly Mammoth</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87329</link>
		<dc:creator>Quilly Mammoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing the Right has to do is hit back with it&#039;s own plan.  Based on some of the comments I think this post of mine yesterday is &lt;a href=&quot;http://justbarkingmad.com/?p=6769&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;apropos&lt;/a&gt;.

There are ways to improve health care in this country without socializing it more than it is.  We should be strongly responding with solutions as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing the Right has to do is hit back with it&#8217;s own plan.  Based on some of the comments I think this post of mine yesterday is <a href="http://justbarkingmad.com/?p=6769" rel="nofollow">apropos</a>.</p>
<p>There are ways to improve health care in this country without socializing it more than it is.  We should be strongly responding with solutions as well.</p>
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		<title>By: jeanneb</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87327</link>
		<dc:creator>jeanneb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want a high deductible catastrophic!!

Couldn&#039;t believe it when I went on individual coverage a few years ago.  Can&#039;t get medical savings accounts in my state.  Can&#039;t get catastrophic plans.  All thanks to the government.

It stinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want a high deductible catastrophic!!</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t believe it when I went on individual coverage a few years ago.  Can&#8217;t get medical savings accounts in my state.  Can&#8217;t get catastrophic plans.  All thanks to the government.</p>
<p>It stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: newscaper</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87325</link>
		<dc:creator>newscaper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d also add the greatest danger is Republican idiots and RINOs in House &amp; Senate declaring victory by dodging a couple bullets but then giving away the other 90% in the name of spineless &#039;compromise.&#039;

I think individual tax-exempt health spending accounts  plus high deductible catastrophic are the way to go, but putting the spending decisions more in individual hands are inadequate for unleashing market forces.

The missing pieces need to jumpstart a market where one does not exists are to (at the same time the lawwyer-vultures are pushed back) the medical profession needs to be prodded to play ball too, in making pricing -- at least for common things -- transparent so consumers can comparison shop.  Requiring more openness and and revealing success/complication rates for treatment hospital by hospital, doc by doc, would get a market going -- however much that might go against the clubiness that docs share with lawyers (don&#039;t badmouth your professional peers publicly).

Giving people the freedom (and responsibility) to choose providers is near useless if they have no data on which to form informed decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d also add the greatest danger is Republican idiots and RINOs in House &amp; Senate declaring victory by dodging a couple bullets but then giving away the other 90% in the name of spineless &#8216;compromise.&#8217;</p>
<p>I think individual tax-exempt health spending accounts  plus high deductible catastrophic are the way to go, but putting the spending decisions more in individual hands are inadequate for unleashing market forces.</p>
<p>The missing pieces need to jumpstart a market where one does not exists are to (at the same time the lawwyer-vultures are pushed back) the medical profession needs to be prodded to play ball too, in making pricing &#8212; at least for common things &#8212; transparent so consumers can comparison shop.  Requiring more openness and and revealing success/complication rates for treatment hospital by hospital, doc by doc, would get a market going &#8212; however much that might go against the clubiness that docs share with lawyers (don&#8217;t badmouth your professional peers publicly).</p>
<p>Giving people the freedom (and responsibility) to choose providers is near useless if they have no data on which to form informed decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent Notes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Banish the word &#8220;compromise&#8221; from your mind</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87324</link>
		<dc:creator>Bent Notes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Banish the word &#8220;compromise&#8221; from your mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blue Crab Boulevard admonishes us that we haven&#8217;t defeated FHer-Care by any means.  That will only be the case when any possibility of its regaining vitality due to vaguely worded clauses and sections in any health-related legislation has been obliterated. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blue Crab Boulevard admonishes us that we haven&#8217;t defeated FHer-Care by any means.  That will only be the case when any possibility of its regaining vitality due to vaguely worded clauses and sections in any health-related legislation has been obliterated. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: newscaper</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87323</link>
		<dc:creator>newscaper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damned straight.
Instead of having a purely public option they&#039;ll just forge ahead with controlling everything in the &#039;private&#039; systems thru strangulating regulation.

IOW socialism in fascist garb.

BTW, I had a call from some RNC fund-raiser today and basically hung up on them.

Said I&#039;d donate again when they come up with a coherent policy instead of just counting on Obama to screw up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damned straight.<br />
Instead of having a purely public option they&#8217;ll just forge ahead with controlling everything in the &#8216;private&#8217; systems thru strangulating regulation.</p>
<p>IOW socialism in fascist garb.</p>
<p>BTW, I had a call from some RNC fund-raiser today and basically hung up on them.</p>
<p>Said I&#8217;d donate again when they come up with a coherent policy instead of just counting on Obama to screw up.</p>
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		<title>By: Instapundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; RETREAT? White House Appears Ready To Drop &#8220;Public Option.&#8221; I suspect it&#8217;s a Parthian retreat. &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87322</link>
		<dc:creator>Instapundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; RETREAT? White House Appears Ready To Drop &#8220;Public Option.&#8221; I suspect it&#8217;s a Parthian retreat. &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: Related thoughts. &#8220;This is not a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Lever</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87321</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Lever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although ObamaCare might be wounded for this year. They will still try to get some steps in their direction.  Keep fighting and we might be as lucky as we were in 1994. 

Newt Gingrich bought us 14 years respite from socialism that Bill Clinton &quot;triangulated&quot; through (despite any acutal convictions he might or might not have) and George W. Bush seemed not to have the vision or ability to act or communicate that government control of economic activity is the antithesis of freedom and limited government established under our Constitution.

Via YouTube, Ronald Reagan is doing a more effective job against socialism today than the most recent former President did even in office.  Reagan left us writings and recorded audio and video speeches. From George W. Bush we see no more than the high tide leaves of a sand castle with respect to the fight for constitutionally limited government.    


Now, rather than letting the socialists work on America incrementally, maybe it would help to read ahead a few pages in their playbook. 

After socialized medicine, won&#039;t socialized food be a control point?

The whole strategy is to eliminate traditional individual, family, local community and market choices in every aspect of your life and replace it with themselves as your government and decision maker. 

Starting now to undermine their socialized food effort might aid in the current fight against socialized medicine.

In the long run, centralized decision making will always fail. We should be encouraged by that.  Sadly we can also foresee the enormous human misery that will be the unnecessary cost of this new attempt at government control.

My favorite quote of the day comes from Patrick Carroll at www.professorbainbridge.com:

&quot;Leftists are ahistorical because it makes it easier for them to construct their Sorelian myths.

Trying to make a leftist remember the crimes of the left is like wrestling a greased pig: you get nothing but dirty, and the pig enjoys it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although ObamaCare might be wounded for this year. They will still try to get some steps in their direction.  Keep fighting and we might be as lucky as we were in 1994. </p>
<p>Newt Gingrich bought us 14 years respite from socialism that Bill Clinton &#8220;triangulated&#8221; through (despite any acutal convictions he might or might not have) and George W. Bush seemed not to have the vision or ability to act or communicate that government control of economic activity is the antithesis of freedom and limited government established under our Constitution.</p>
<p>Via YouTube, Ronald Reagan is doing a more effective job against socialism today than the most recent former President did even in office.  Reagan left us writings and recorded audio and video speeches. From George W. Bush we see no more than the high tide leaves of a sand castle with respect to the fight for constitutionally limited government.    </p>
<p>Now, rather than letting the socialists work on America incrementally, maybe it would help to read ahead a few pages in their playbook. </p>
<p>After socialized medicine, won&#8217;t socialized food be a control point?</p>
<p>The whole strategy is to eliminate traditional individual, family, local community and market choices in every aspect of your life and replace it with themselves as your government and decision maker. </p>
<p>Starting now to undermine their socialized food effort might aid in the current fight against socialized medicine.</p>
<p>In the long run, centralized decision making will always fail. We should be encouraged by that.  Sadly we can also foresee the enormous human misery that will be the unnecessary cost of this new attempt at government control.</p>
<p>My favorite quote of the day comes from Patrick Carroll at <a href="http://www.professorbainbridge.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.professorbainbridge.com</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Leftists are ahistorical because it makes it easier for them to construct their Sorelian myths.</p>
<p>Trying to make a leftist remember the crimes of the left is like wrestling a greased pig: you get nothing but dirty, and the pig enjoys it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Apetra</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87320</link>
		<dc:creator>Apetra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing acceptable about a plan tthat &#039;merely&#039; bans insurance companies from underwriting based on pre-existing conditions and sets a federal minimum standard.  In such a system, any insurance plan with more generous benefits will have to accept patients in the future who sit in afederal minimum standard plan until a grave illness.  It will not be feasible to sustain any coverage, whether for cancer or end of life care, that exceeds the the minimum standard unless you can underwrite to factor out pre-existing conditions.  This is a government takeover of insurance, folks, public option or not, the feds will design and control healthcare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing acceptable about a plan tthat &#8216;merely&#8217; bans insurance companies from underwriting based on pre-existing conditions and sets a federal minimum standard.  In such a system, any insurance plan with more generous benefits will have to accept patients in the future who sit in afederal minimum standard plan until a grave illness.  It will not be feasible to sustain any coverage, whether for cancer or end of life care, that exceeds the the minimum standard unless you can underwrite to factor out pre-existing conditions.  This is a government takeover of insurance, folks, public option or not, the feds will design and control healthcare.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveinPhoenix</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87319</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveinPhoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No victory is exactly right. There is absolutely no responsibility of government to provide health care coverage to it&#039;s citizens. And practically no one has gotten this message through yet. These government programs in my opinion, are like a disease infected salesman at your door. All it takes is one little toe in the door, one small piece of legislation, and you&#039;ll be swept aside by a massively spreading disease which infects the entire neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No victory is exactly right. There is absolutely no responsibility of government to provide health care coverage to it&#8217;s citizens. And practically no one has gotten this message through yet. These government programs in my opinion, are like a disease infected salesman at your door. All it takes is one little toe in the door, one small piece of legislation, and you&#8217;ll be swept aside by a massively spreading disease which infects the entire neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: RM3 Frisker FTN</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87318</link>
		<dc:creator>RM3 Frisker FTN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>COOPERATIVES? Will they be &quot;government sponsored entities&quot; (GSEs) or the equivalent? Call the cooperatives &quot;Healthy MAC&quot;, doing for health care what &quot;FANNIE Mae&quot; and &quot;FREDDIE Mac&quot; did for housing

NOT AN URBAN LEGEND - Congress Exempting Itself From Health Care Reform.

Start reading at pg 113, line 22 of SENATE version of the Health Care Reform Bill (http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf). It describes who will be and who will not be covered by health care reform. 

If you are NOT eligible for Federal employee health benefits, as described in US Code Title 5 Chapter 89, then Health Care Reform WILL apply to you.

If you ARE eligible for Federal employee health benefits, as described in US Code Title 5 Chapter 89, then Health Care Reform will NOT apply to you.

Now who do you think is eligible for Federal employee health benefits, as described in US Code Title 5 Chapter 89, and thus exempt from health care reform?

Browse over US Code Title 5 Chapter 89 … http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/5/usc_sup_01_5_10_III_20_G_30_89.html

For purposes of US Code Title 5 Chapter 89, members of Congress, political appointees, federal employees (obviously), and many others are eligible for Federal employee health benefits.

CONCLUSION: The Senate is attempting to exempt itself from Health Care Reform. Congress, Federal Employees, and other ‘chosen’ ones will get a different plan from the one that will be inflicted upon the rest of us.

SIDE-NOTE: When critiquing/praising health care reform, please quote chapter &amp; verse from the bill (House or Senate version, page #, line #)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COOPERATIVES? Will they be &#8220;government sponsored entities&#8221; (GSEs) or the equivalent? Call the cooperatives &#8220;Healthy MAC&#8221;, doing for health care what &#8220;FANNIE Mae&#8221; and &#8220;FREDDIE Mac&#8221; did for housing</p>
<p>NOT AN URBAN LEGEND &#8211; Congress Exempting Itself From Health Care Reform.</p>
<p>Start reading at pg 113, line 22 of SENATE version of the Health Care Reform Bill (<a href="http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf</a>). It describes who will be and who will not be covered by health care reform. </p>
<p>If you are NOT eligible for Federal employee health benefits, as described in US Code Title 5 Chapter 89, then Health Care Reform WILL apply to you.</p>
<p>If you ARE eligible for Federal employee health benefits, as described in US Code Title 5 Chapter 89, then Health Care Reform will NOT apply to you.</p>
<p>Now who do you think is eligible for Federal employee health benefits, as described in US Code Title 5 Chapter 89, and thus exempt from health care reform?</p>
<p>Browse over US Code Title 5 Chapter 89 … <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/5/usc_sup_01_5_10_III_20_G_30_89.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/5/usc_sup_01_5_10_III_20_G_30_89.html</a></p>
<p>For purposes of US Code Title 5 Chapter 89, members of Congress, political appointees, federal employees (obviously), and many others are eligible for Federal employee health benefits.</p>
<p>CONCLUSION: The Senate is attempting to exempt itself from Health Care Reform. Congress, Federal Employees, and other ‘chosen’ ones will get a different plan from the one that will be inflicted upon the rest of us.</p>
<p>SIDE-NOTE: When critiquing/praising health care reform, please quote chapter &amp; verse from the bill (House or Senate version, page #, line #)</p>
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		<title>By: smitty</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87317</link>
		<dc:creator>smitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a skirmish, but the larger battle is &lt;a href=&quot;http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2009/08/most-important-post-of-day.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;depicted here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a skirmish, but the larger battle is <a href="http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2009/08/most-important-post-of-day.html" rel="nofollow">depicted here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87316</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only must we get tort reform, but the federal government must fix the Indian Health Service. (How about opening competition in drugs by reducing lengths of patents, reinforcing the requirement that new drug formulations be true inventions and not just minor modifications and greatly reducing the number of prescription and behind the counter drugs.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only must we get tort reform, but the federal government must fix the Indian Health Service. (How about opening competition in drugs by reducing lengths of patents, reinforcing the requirement that new drug formulations be true inventions and not just minor modifications and greatly reducing the number of prescription and behind the counter drugs.)</p>
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		<title>By: Americaneocon</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87315</link>
		<dc:creator>Americaneocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American Power tracked-back with, &lt;a href=&quot;http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/conservatives-win-on-public-option-is.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;Conservatives: A Win on Public Option is One Battle on Road to Victory&#039;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Power tracked-back with, <a href="http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/conservatives-win-on-public-option-is.html" rel="nofollow">&#8216;Conservatives: A Win on Public Option is One Battle on Road to Victory&#8217;</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius</title>
		<link>http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2009/08/15/no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-87314</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep calling, keep writing. They actually do start paying attention when enough calls and letters indicate that their jobs may well be on the line. Encourage others to do the same. We are not going to stop every vote for this - there are too many out of touch, elitists in Washington. We have to stop them getting 51 in the Senate.

That&#039;s doable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep calling, keep writing. They actually do start paying attention when enough calls and letters indicate that their jobs may well be on the line. Encourage others to do the same. We are not going to stop every vote for this &#8211; there are too many out of touch, elitists in Washington. We have to stop them getting 51 in the Senate.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s doable.</p>
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